My understanding of the situation is that our picks will be slotted higher than playoff teams but lower than non playoff teams.

Should land the owner a good player.
- Gullzy

I'll post a mock draft order this weekend to show what the order would be like if the season ended this week.

Just so it's clear to everybody.

It's not too complicated—like you said, new teams will slot in front of the playoff teams, but behind existing non-playoff teams.

When did I say you don't need assets to "reload"??? And it does not require "a few lean years" if you manage your team well. It makes the reload easier, but it is not a requirement.
- KB3Point0

Yup.

I don't know about that.

I've discussed what I was offered (privately) with another interested party, and they thought it (my counter) was fair for both parties.

Their offer was better than your original one, but I'm not willing to stack him with 4 of the top 5 players in the game
- Fosco

Don't get me wrong, if I had him I'd demand the same in order to trade him!

I may be focusing on only one part of his statement? He's wrong in my opinion that successful franchises don't rebuild, they reload. ALL successful teams win because of some form of suckage.
- LeftCoaster

Boston Bruins.

Don't get me wrong, if I had him I'd demand the same in order to trade him!
- KB3Point0

As would I.

What an incredible come back by the women today! That was an impressive display of fortitude. Those ladies have some huge 'Thatchers' on 'em.

What an incredible come back by the women today! That was an impressive display of fortitude. Those ladies have some huge 'Thatchers' on 'em.
- micah555

I have a feeling that such a dramatic loss is a huge motivator for mens US hockey

Don't get me wrong, if I had him I'd demand the same in order to trade him!
- KB3Point0

Yup.

I can't let his injury lower the value of that calibre a player.

And I understand how much you value your picks, with the players available this draft and the fact you probably won't make the playoffs.

A 1st is almost a must in any return I'd ask, plus another star player...or two

I have a feeling that such a dramatic loss is a huge motivator for mens US hockey
- Gullzy

I'm hoping it puts a little more pressure on the US men's team. Not that they'll have close to the pressure the Canadians do, but just a little would be nice!

Boston Bruins.
- KB3Point0

Boston won the Cup because other teams sucked and gave up their assets, that in itself is a form of suckage. They were the benefactor of some great trades, Gillis neither has the ability or the know-how to manage his assets like that.

Corey Schneider is the only asset he decided to flip, and even then he (frank)ed that up by doing it a year later than he should have.

Currently the Canucks don't have any assets they can flip, that doesn't have a NTC.

I'm hoping it puts a little more pressure on the US men's team. Not that they'll have close to the pressure the Canadians do, but just a little would be nice!
- KB3Point0

Biggest challenge the US faced was the Russians, and should have lost. The Russian talent and depth doesn't even come close to stacking up against that of Team Canada.

Just saying...

Boston won the Cup because other teams sucked and gave up their assets, that in itself is a form of suckage. They were the benefactor of some great trades, Gillis neither has the ability or the know-how to manage his assets like that.

Corey Schneider is the only asset he decided to flip, and even then he (frank)ed that up by doing it a year later than he should have.

Currently the Canucks don't have any assets they can flip, that doesn't have a NTC.
- LeftCoaster

Tanev and Hansen would garner solid returns, and neither have any form of NTC/NMC.

NTCs can be worked around. It's just more difficult during the season.

But they are an obstacle. And Gillis doesn't need any more obstacles than himself when it comes to trades...

They also helped get sweetheart deals, which will be beneficial in trades.

Pretty sure the Sedins are the only ones with full NMC/NTCs—the rest would either have to submit lists to the teams they will/won't accept trades to.

Tanev and Hansen would garner solid returns, and neither have any form of NTC/NMC.

NTCs can be worked around. It's just more difficult during the season.

But they are an obstacle.

They also helped get sweetheart deals, which will be beneficial in trades.

Pretty sure the Sedins are the only ones with full NMC/NTCs—the rest would either have to submit lists to the teams they will/won't accept trades to.
- Fosco

After a player has a poor year he needs a fresh change. I can see more than one waiving or giving a list. Doesn't mean he hates Vancouver just means "he" needs a fresh start.

I'm hoping it puts a little more pressure on the US men's team. Not that they'll have close to the pressure the Canadians do, but just a little would be nice!
- KB3Point0

Thats a great way of looking at it. I'm stoked to watch Kesler play. Hopefully we catch a glimpse of his beastmode in an Canadian win.

I dont know how to post gifs, but the one of that Poulin girl saying sorry to the Yankees is hilarious

Tanev and Hansen would garner solid returns, and neither have any form of NTC/NMC.

NTCs can be worked around. It's just more difficult during the season.

But they are an obstacle. And Gillis doesn't need any more obstacles than himself when it comes to trades...

They also helped get sweetheart deals, which will be beneficial in trades.

Pretty sure the Sedins are the only ones with full NMC/NTCs—the rest would either have to submit lists to the teams they will/won't accept trades to.
- Fosco

Hansens new deal includes a NTC

Boston won the Cup because other teams sucked and gave up their assets, that in itself is a form of suckage. They were the benefactor of some great trades, Gillis neither has the ability or the know-how to manage his assets like that.

Corey Schneider is the only asset he decided to flip, and even then he (frank)ed that up by doing it a year later than he should have.

Currently the Canucks don't have any assets they can flip, that doesn't have a NTC.
- LeftCoaster

Gillis just lost leverage due to a bullsh*t clause in the CBA that was not foreseeable prior to it being signed. Even with hindsight, what could Gillis have gotten for Schneider a year before?

Tanev and Hansen would garner solid returns, and neither have any form of NTC/NMC.

NTCs can be worked around. It's just more difficult during the season.

But they are an obstacle. And Gillis doesn't need any more obstacles than himself when it comes to trades...

They also helped get sweetheart deals, which will be beneficial in trades.

Pretty sure the Sedins are the only ones with full NMC/NTCs—the rest would either have to submit lists to the teams they will/won't accept trades to.
- Fosco

NTC is just a way for the players to control where they end up. No player wants to play somewhere they aren't wanted. Just means they don't have to get shipped somewhere like Edmonton, Calgary or Winnipeg...

Hansens new deal includes a NTC
- Gullzy

I don't think it kicks in until next year. Higgins has a limited NTC that could garner some interest from teams around the league.

Hansens new deal includes a NTC
- Gullzy

Ah yes.

Couldn't find it on cap geek earlier but I see it now.

Modified, so I assume he can submit a list.

After a player has a poor year he needs a fresh change. I can see more than one waiving or giving a list. Doesn't mean he hates Vancouver just means "he" needs a fresh start.
- thundachunk

Obviously depends on what team is involved, but yeah, a few likely would waive.

NTC is just a way for the players to control where they end up. No player wants to play somewhere they aren't wanted. Just means they don't have to get shipped somewhere like Edmonton, Calgary or Winnipeg...
- KB3Point0

It does limit the GM, though, and makes it harder to negotiate with teams during the season.

I'm sure there are instances of players not waiving for certain teams and then still playing on their original team for a period.

Boston won the Cup because other teams sucked and gave up their assets, that in itself is a form of suckage. They were the benefactor of some great trades, Gillis neither has the ability or the know-how to manage his assets like that.

Corey Schneider is the only asset he decided to flip, and even then he (frank)ed that up by doing it a year later than he should have.

Currently the Canucks don't have any assets they can flip, that doesn't have a NTC.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah the Bruins gave up on Thorton and Samsonov, if I recall correctly they drafted them in the same year both 1st rounders. So you'll know when we reach maximum suckage, when we give up on Bo and Hunter and trade them, rebuild 2017/18.

Biggest challenge the US faced was the Russians, and should have lost. The Russian talent and depth doesn't even come close to stacking up against that of Team Canada.

Just saying...
- Chest Rockwell

The US defense will be exposed, and we will see how really good the Can. defense is, we have only let in 3 goals in 4 games with Price in goal.

Gillis just lost leverage due to a bullsh*t clause in the CBA that was not foreseeable prior to it being signed. Even with hindsight, what could Gillis have gotten for Schneider a year before?
- KB3Point0

His value was high, possibly a young asset as well, but not much more than that.

Tanev and Hansen would garner solid returns, and neither have any form of NTC/NMC.

NTCs can be worked around. It's just more difficult during the season.

But they are an obstacle. And Gillis doesn't need any more obstacles than himself when it comes to trades...

They also helped get sweetheart deals, which will be beneficial in trades.

Pretty sure the Sedins are the only ones with full NMC/NTCs—the rest would either have to submit lists to the teams they will/won't accept trades to.
- Fosco

Tanev is a kid you build with, Bieksa is the one that should be moved with a guy like Corrado coming up, but I doubt he will due to his NTC. Hansen will get you something for sure, but nothing of substance in the way of a high pick or good young prospect IMO.