This.

Basically the last point of my blog. The Callahan-St. Louis rumor and Marty wanting out might be two different issues. I don't see Callahan ending up with TB. Does Marty want out? That I don't know.
- Michael_Stuart

if it happens it won't be until this summer marty has 3 kids in hockey programs school etc.. he is not going to move his family during the season. So if a trade goes down it won't be until after the season is over.

if it happens it won't be until this summer marty has 3 kids in hockey programs school etc.. he is not going to move his family during the season. So if a trade goes down it won't be until after the season is over.
- todd1a

Players who get moved in-season often leave their families behind for the rest of that year and then relocate in the off-season.

Players who get moved in-season often leave their families behind for the rest of that year and then relocate in the off-season.
- Michael_Stuart

this does not make sense we look like we are going to the playoffs ? why would st.louis want out now if he does ?

this does not make sense we look like we are going to the playoffs ? why would st.louis want out now if he does ?
- todd1a

I'm not saying that he'll be traded. But Bob McKenzie has said that St. Louis would have looked favorably on being moved out in the aftermath of the snub. That's about as good of a source as you'll find, right there. It doesn't make sense to trade St. Louis for Callahan, or at all right now. That doesn't necessarily mean that Marty wants to stay.

I'm not saying that he'll be traded. But Bob McKenzie has said that St. Louis would have looked favorably on being moved out in the aftermath of the snub. That's about as good of a source as you'll find, right there. It doesn't make sense to trade St. Louis for Callahan, or at all right now. That doesn't necessarily mean that Marty wants to stay.
- Michael_Stuart

fudge.

I'm not saying that he'll be traded. But Bob McKenzie has said that St. Louis would have looked favorably on being moved out in the aftermath of the snub. That's about as good of a source as you'll find, right there. It doesn't make sense to trade St. Louis for Callahan, or at all right now. That doesn't necessarily mean that Marty wants to stay.
- Michael_Stuart

ugh! do you think st.louis stays in tampa and it works out ?

ugh! do you think st.louis stays in tampa and it works out ?
- todd1a

Heart says yes. Head isn't sure. I'm 99.99999% sure that he'll finish the season with the Lightning. Could he be dealt in the off-season? Maybe. But this is just personal speculation.

ugh! do you think st.louis stays in tampa and it works out ?
- todd1a

yes.

I think your head is over thinking this. Marty will be a Bolt thru next year, then if he wants to continue to play and not for the Lightning that is on him as he is a UFA and its not on the Bolts management team. It would be a PR nightmare if the Bolts trade him this season or next even if he wants out. Totally different situation than Vinny in regards to his productivity, fan base, and symbolism of the guy (team) who was told he couldn't but did play in the nhl (hockey works in the south).

I personally think these rumors are just that rumors that have spread and gotten more scandalous as they have went on because they deal with the large market Rangers.

Only the principles involved know the whole truth, but I still feel Marty will retire a Bolt it has always been his plan. I know that for a fact from the man himself when I asked him, can a snub that was rectified change that plan?

Heart says yes. Head isn't sure. I'm 99.99999% sure that he'll finish the season with the Lightning. Could he be dealt in the off-season? Maybe. But this is just personal speculation.
- Michael_Stuart

I think your head is over thinking this. Marty will be a Bolt thru next year, then if he wants to continue to play and not for the Lightning that is on him as he is a UFA and its not on the Bolts management team. It would be a PR nightmare if the Bolts trade him this season or next even if he wants out. Totally different situation than Vinny in regards to his productivity, fan base, and symbolism of the guy (team) who was told he couldn't but did play in the nhl (hockey works in the south).

I personally think these rumors are just that rumors that have spread and gotten more scandalous as they have went on because they deal with the large market Rangers.

Only the principles involved know the whole truth, but I still feel Marty will retire a Bolt it has always been his plan. I know that for a fact from the man himself when I asked him, can a snub that was rectified change that plan?
- stammerman

I'll draw you back to McKenzie's comments. Marty would have looked favorably on a move out of Tampa immediately after the snub. Has that changed? I can't say.

I'll put it this way, I have met and talked to Marty on multiple occasions. From my interactions with him he does not seem to be the type of guy to ask or demand that. I guess I could be wrong in that assessment.

In the immediate aftermath in frustration maybe he did or his team did say something on the lines of a trade. But if this is all true and it was not just a rash comment after the announcement that was regretted a couple days later on his or his teams part then I will say I have lost respect for Marty who to me is a true professional. I am sure Mr. Vinik has made it clear to Marty the Lightning want him and it all starts and ends with Vinik.

Mckenzie is just regurgitating the same poop that has been said, he even says in the video on tsn that he has only HEARD that people within the industry believe on the move out of Tampa favorable thing happened immediately after the snub.

And to that I am tired of all the trade drama every year with our team, it seems these large media teams use the Lightning in their reports to draw up buzz because we have BIG and MEGA STAR PLAYERS worth trading for and were a small market team so its easy to throw that poop on the wall and hope it sticks.

I'll draw you back to McKenzie's comments. Marty would have looked favorably on a move out of Tampa immediately after the snub. Has that changed? I can't say.
- Michael_Stuart

I'll put it this way, I have met and talked to Marty on multiple occasions. From my interactions with him he does not seem to be the type of guy to ask or demand that. I guess I could be wrong in that assessment.

In the immediate aftermath in frustration maybe he did or his team did say something on the lines of a trade. But if this is all true and it was not just a rash comment after the announcement that was regretted a couple days later on his or his teams part then I will say I have lost respect for Marty who to me is a true professional. I am sure Mr. Vinik has made it clear to Marty the Lightning want him and it all starts and ends with Vinik.

Mckenzie is just regurgitating the same poop that has been said, he even says in the video on tsn that he has only HEARD that people within the industry believe on the move out of Tampa favorable thing happened immediately after the snub.

And to that I am tired of all the trade drama every year with our team, it seems these large media teams use the Lightning in their reports to draw up buzz because we have BIG and MEGA STAR PLAYERS worth trading for and were a small market team so its easy to throw that poop on the wall and hope it sticks.
- stammerman

Bob's not one to just spit out unsubstantiated reports.

I understand that what I'm saying he is said on the video he only heard of reports from people in the industry that this happened right after the fact. So with that said the only people who really know what went down are Marty and his team, Yzerman, and Vinik for the most part.

All I'm saying it is hearsay maybe true maybe not and the only reason its out there either way is because of the large media market of the Rangers and their never ending Callahan issue. I say the Rangers should go on a road trip with Tommy Boy and sell those brake pads.

Anyway keep up the good work Michael, the Bolts are back in action Thursday... its about time as well... GO BOLTS!!!!!

Bob's not one to just spit out unsubstantiated reports.
- Michael_Stuart

I understand that what I'm saying he is said on the video he only heard of reports from people in the industry that this happened right after the fact. So with that said the only people who really know what went down are Marty and his team, Yzerman, and Vinik for the most part.

All I'm saying it is hearsay maybe true maybe not and the only reason its out there either way is because of the large media market of the Rangers and their never ending Callahan issue. I say the Rangers should go on a road trip with Tommy Boy and sell those brake pads.

Anyway keep up the good work Michael, the Bolts are back in action Thursday... its about time as well... GO BOLTS!!!!!
- stammerman

I not only think marty stays but I think he will sign a 2 year contract extension after july 1st this summer with the lightning.

A couple of points that don't make sense. First it reported that Sather contacted Yserman not the other way around. Second with Stamkos out even if he wanted a trade he would request it in the off season not the middle of a season after being named Captain and knowing the controversy destroys the team confidence sitting in a playoff spot after years of sticking out a rebuild.
For his cap hit and production numbers there are few replacements dollar for dollar unlike Vinny who had a 10 mil salary and 7.7 mil cap hit.
Not a slight on Callahan but why pay him Stamkos type money and longer term when we have a lot of developed players needing to be resigned first.
Why even think about the Rangers who like to pay for a bunch of stars and try to find chemistry later and if it doesn't work throw them away and try again. Not alot of team development but more throw it against the wall and let's see what sticks.
I don't see this as anything good for the team right now and someone better step up to the mic and take care of business before it destroys the team confidence.
It seems more a Sather thing than MSL thing as he's playing the negotiating game with Callahan and saw an opportunity after the snub to contact SY just like him giving his agent permission to talk to teams so Callahan saw what his market really is. Time for Team Vinik to extend Marty for two years and put this to bed.

Bob's not one to just spit out unsubstantiated reports.
- Michael_Stuart

His report on TSN isn't really anything other than spitting out an unsubstantiated report. He even says so.

1. Where there is smoke, there is or perhaps has been a little fire. Or, in other words, the two teams would appear to have at least spoken. And spoken is defined as one calling the other to inquire, no more, no less.
2. The real question, though, is what is the latest and greatest information. Or, in other words, is this a story that is a couple of weeks old, just now finally coming to light and perhaps outdated?



There is reason to believe in the immediate aftermath of his Jan. 7 snub from the Canadian Olympic team, in some form or another, St. Louis indicated to the Bolts he may look favorably on a move out of Tampa.

We have to be careful here not to get too hung up on semantics. Was it a trade demand? A trade request? A conversation? Was it St. Louis speaking directly to Yzerman or was it some form of communication between St. Louis's agent Lewis Gross and the organization?

While none of the principals were confirming or denying anything in those days and weeks after the initial snub, talk in the NHL community was rife that St. Louis wanted out. There was even talk – again, nothing with an absolute confirmation -- that the only place St. Louis would waive his No Move Clause for was the New York Rangers. His off-season home is just outside NYC, in Connecticut.

If the NYR or bust account is accurate, it would certainly explain the St. Louis rumors coming out of NYC the last few days and the talk of Callahan for St. Louis.

The only "fact" we know for sure is in the aftermath of the snub, Vinik and Yzerman spoke directly with St Louis. Why did they speak? Well that answer is easy, to make sure their heart and soul captain wasn't unhappy. What was the motivation to have the talk? Sure it could have been a trade demand and Yzerman and Vinik wanted to calm Marty down. Or it could have been them going out of their way to make sure Marty was ok and there weren't hard feelings. Either way anything after is pure speculation by everyone including McKenzie. The only difference is McKenzie is honest enough to say as much.

We can pretty much assume with a great degree of certainty that Yzerman is interested in Callahan. He can't say as much as that would be tampering but Yzerman knows this team as it sits now needs a gritty forward to fill out the forward ranks. I just find it amusing that anyone thinks MSL plus a pick is worth a pending UFA Callahan who has some very high salary demands (regardless of the actual numbers the Rags would sign him if his demands weren't otherwise too high). NMC clause or not, Yzerman could extract a higher price than a pending UFA for Marty

His report on TSN isn't really anything other than spitting out an unsubstantiated report. He even says so.

1. Where there is smoke, there is or perhaps has been a little fire. Or, in other words, the two teams would appear to have at least spoken. And spoken is defined as one calling the other to inquire, no more, no less.
2. The real question, though, is what is the latest and greatest information. Or, in other words, is this a story that is a couple of weeks old, just now finally coming to light and perhaps outdated?



There is reason to believe in the immediate aftermath of his Jan. 7 snub from the Canadian Olympic team, in some form or another, St. Louis indicated to the Bolts he may look favorably on a move out of Tampa.

We have to be careful here not to get too hung up on semantics. Was it a trade demand? A trade request? A conversation? Was it St. Louis speaking directly to Yzerman or was it some form of communication between St. Louis's agent Lewis Gross and the organization?

While none of the principals were confirming or denying anything in those days and weeks after the initial snub, talk in the NHL community was rife that St. Louis wanted out. There was even talk – again, nothing with an absolute confirmation -- that the only place St. Louis would waive his No Move Clause for was the New York Rangers. His off-season home is just outside NYC, in Connecticut.

If the NYR or bust account is accurate, it would certainly explain the St. Louis rumors coming out of NYC the last few days and the talk of Callahan for St. Louis.

The only "fact" we know for sure is in the aftermath of the snub, Vinik and Yzerman spoke directly with St Louis. Why did they speak? Well that answer is easy, to make sure their heart and soul captain wasn't unhappy. What was the motivation to have the talk? Sure it could have been a trade demand and Yzerman and Vinik wanted to calm Marty down. Or it could have been them going out of their way to make sure Marty was ok and there weren't hard feelings. Either way anything after is pure speculation by everyone including McKenzie. The only difference is McKenzie is honest enough to say as much.

We can pretty much assume with a great degree of certainty that Yzerman is interested in Callahan. He can't say as much as that would be tampering but Yzerman knows this team as it sits now needs a gritty forward to fill out the forward ranks. I just find it amusing that anyone thinks MSL plus a pick is worth a pending UFA Callahan who has some very high salary demands (regardless of the actual numbers the Rags would sign him if his demands weren't otherwise too high). NMC clause or not, Yzerman could extract a higher price than a pending UFA for Marty
- uf1910

He would take a pay cut of about 16% to play in NY. Not a smart money move with NYS and NYC taxes.

He would take a pay cut of about 16% to play in NY. Not a smart money move with NYS and NYC taxes.
- tpd11

IF Marty wanted out I doubt money has much if anything to do with his decision. However in this case "if" is definitely the operative word.

IF Marty wanted out I doubt money has much if anything to do with his decision. However in this case "if" is definitely the operative word.
- uf1910

I think at this point we've pretty much settled on the fact that he would have 'looked favorably' on a move out in the immediate aftermath of the snub. The question is this: where's his head at now?

From the Habs thread:

Would a package including Brière be interresting for Tampa?

Brière + ???? + 2nd round pick in 2014 (??? is an unknown average prospect)

For

St-louis + 3rd pick in 2015

IF Marty wanted out I doubt money has much if anything to do with his decision. However in this case "if" is definitely the operative word.
- uf1910

Really 900,000 isn't chump change. Of course it's a consideration.

From the Habs thread:

Would a package including Brière be interresting for Tampa?

Brière + ???? + 2nd round pick in 2014 (??? is an unknown average prospect)

For

St-louis + 3rd pick in 2015
- Iggysbff

From the Habs thread:

Would a package including Brière be interresting for Tampa?

Brière + ???? + 2nd round pick in 2014 (??? is an unknown average prospect)

For

St-louis + 3rd pick in 2015
- Iggysbff

Forget it Habs believe they have a right to any native son. Don't want Briere period. I think Marty gets extended to finish out his career in Tampa. This was more about Sather trying to move a piece he won't pay. Stamkos responded that he didn't know where this stuff comes from and doubts anything will happen. I'm pretty sure Stammer has a better idea than any reporter/bloggers rumors.
Do they really think we would even think of sending him to a division foe. More mental maturbation than reality.

Hey Riley, the Lightning website has the Inside the Lightning Marty St Louis 1000th game special that aired down here on sun sports after one of the games. I know your always asking about them since you can't see them. Go check it out.

From the Habs thread:

Would a package including Brière be interresting for Tampa?

Brière + ???? + 2nd round pick in 2014 (??? is an unknown average prospect)

For

St-louis + 3rd pick in 2015
- Iggysbff

Yeah if ??? means subban. I think you have to throw in a 1st instead of a 2nd too. And you can keep briere.