So then if the defense would be markedly worse without Timonen. And 6M for one year is what it cost to re-sign Timonen. Then how was it a bad deal by a dolt of a GM? How did that move make the so called laundry list of bad moves by a dolt GM?

No one has argued that the defense doesn't need to be improved going forward. Signing Timonen to a one year deal for 6M isn't going to prevent that.
- MJL

I knew that's where you wanted to go....but it still doesn't mean he deserves what he got....do I care ? Am I writing cheque? No....but being tight against cap continues to impair the ability to do other things.....maybe you could add a Brian Campbell by taking on the last year or so of a large contract....I already answered why I thought Timo deal was bad. That's why it made my Laundry list.

The 10-45 Milwaukee Bucks lead the Sixers 73-44 at halftime.

What an absolute collection of losers.

Had me worried there for a bit. Glad we straightened that out. If there's a chance for Lauridsen to improve, then there's a chance for Luke Schenn.
- MJL

Sure...real glad we traded the former # 2 overall pick for a guy we all hope might get better....sounds like winning thinking to me!!!!

So then if the defense would be markedly worse without Timonen. And 6M for one year is what it cost to re-sign Timonen. Then how was it a bad deal by a dolt of a GM? How did that move make the so called laundry list of bad moves by a dolt GM?

No one has argued that the defense doesn't need to be improved going forward. Signing Timonen to a one year deal for 6M isn't going to prevent that.
- MJL

Actually about 4 hours ago you argued that it was the forwards lack of attention to d was our d 's biggest problem ......nice to see your coming around.

I knew that's where you wanted to go....but it still doesn't mean he deserves what he got....do I care ? Am I writing cheque? No....but being tight against cap continues to impair the ability to do other things.....maybe you could add a Brian Campbell by taking on the last year or so of a large contract....I already answered why I thought Timo deal was bad. That's why it made my Laundry list.
- landros 2

I thought the conversation was about the GM's moves, not whether Timonen deserved what he got. I think we've determined now that re-signing Timonen was a good move by the GM. Because if he didn't, then the defense would be markedly worse. And it only took what, 5 pages to get there? And I think that any thought that re-signing Timonen was a bad move has been clearly disproven.

The Flyers would have to trade for Brian Campbell. And what would you be willing to give up to get him?
The Flyers will have plenty of Cap flexibility in the off season to address the defense. And re-signing Timonen to a one year deal has zero effect on their ability to do so, going forward.

would you trade this years first pick
OR
Laughton

for Kulikov?

Would Florida do that?
- Marc D

Definitely not for Laughton, but I'd almost definitely do it for the 1st this year.

A 23-year-old top-4 dman, who skates wonderfully, has a huge shot, good hockey IQ and an aggressive mindset? Yes, please.

I think we need to put his "struggling" into perspective... he's struggled with meeting his top-pairing potential, and he makes some youthful mistakes, but the Steve Eminger factor here is tiny.

He's a pretty good driver of possession considering the crap talent he has to work with... if he was on a team where the top-point getters could muster more than a shade above 0.5 ppg, and his team operated at better than a last-ranked 9% PP efficiency, I'm thinking his point totals would better reflect his talent level.

Actually about 4 hours ago you argued that it was the forwards lack of attention to d was our d 's biggest problem ......nice to see your coming around.
- landros 2

That's innaccurate. What I said was with the makeup of the Flyers defense, they're going to need the forwards to support the defense and play a solid team game if the Flyers are going to compete with the better teams in the League. And they've shown this year that they can do so.

The 10-45 Milwaukee Bucks lead the Sixers 73-44 at halftime.

What an absolute collection of losers.
- PLindbergh31

Cant possibly win in that league without a superstar on your team.

Cant get a superstar without calculated tanking.


This is why I'll never be a fan of the NBA.

Sure...real glad we traded the former # 2 overall pick for a guy we all hope might get better....sounds like winning thinking to me!!!!

- landros 2

If you look at both players at the time of the trade. Both teams were trading for players they were hoping would get better.
And in fact I can successfully show that Luke Schenn was the more accomplished player at the time of the trade.

Cant possibly win in that league without a superstar on your team.

Cant get a superstar without calculated tanking.


This is why I'll never be a fan of the NBA.
- hereticpride

Supposedly the NBA is going to make changes to the lottery. Teams actually get penalized for tanking. The team with the best record that doesn't make the playoffs would have the best chance to get the first pick. Gives teams incentive to win games, instead of tanking. Makes sense to me.

I thought the conversation was about the GM's moves, not whether Timonen deserved what he got. I think we've determined now that re-signing Timonen was a good move by the GM. Because if he didn't, then the defense would be markedly worse. And it only took what, 5 pages to get there? And I think that any thought that re-signing Timonen was a bad move has been clearly disproven.

The Flyers would have to trade for Brian Campbell. And what would you be willing to give up to get him?
The Flyers will have plenty of Cap flexibility in the off season to address the defense. And re-signing Timonen to a one year deal has zero effect on their ability to do so, going forward.
- MJL

How's one different from the other....over paying any player affects the cap flexibility....add in the LTIR rule which had to be used on Pronger it sure as heck does have an effect on other moves....I use Campbell as an example....bad team...big contract...salary dump....get it yet ?

The 10-45 Milwaukee Bucks lead the Sixers 73-44 at halftime.

What an absolute collection of losers.
- PLindbergh31

I don;t follow the sixers, but isn't this what they are trying to do?
Tank for the best possible lottery pick?

I can't imagine paying real money to go to a game though.

Definitely not for Laughton, but I'd almost definitely do it for the 1st this year.

A 23-year-old top-4 dman, who skates wonderfully, has a huge shot, good hockey IQ and an aggressive mindset? Yes, please.

I think we need to put his "struggling" into perspective... he's struggled with meeting his top-pairing potential, and he makes some youthful mistakes, but the Steve Eminger factor here is tiny.

He's a pretty good driver of possession considering the crap talent he has to work with... if he was on a team where the top-point getters could muster more than a shade above 0.5 ppg, and his team operated at better than a last-ranked 9% PP efficiency, I'm thinking his point totals would better reflect his talent level.
- Tomahawk

And it's not at all uncommon for a defenseman of his age to have the ups and downs that he has had. So if your scouts think that he will rebound as he matures and his play will grow into his talent level. Then it's worth a first round pick. Just be prepared to live with the growing pains.

If you look at both players at the time of the trade. Both teams were trading for players they were hoping would get better.
And in fact I can successfully show that Luke Schenn was the more accomplished player at the time of the trade.
- MJL

You can eh !!!!! You obviously didn't watch a lot of Luke Schenn prior to his time in Philly.

Supposedly the NBA is going to make changes to the lottery. Teams actually get penalized for tanking. The team with the best record that doesn't make the playoffs would have the best chance to get the first pick. Gives teams incentive to win games, instead of tanking. Makes sense to me.
- PLindbergh31

That's definitely odd, but maybe it would work. You run the risk of absolutely burrying an already bad team though.

They really just need to downsize the league by 6 or 8 teams so it seems like teams might actually have a shot at the beginning of the season. Of course that will never happen though.

How's one different from the other....over paying any player affects the cap flexibility....add in the LTIR rule which had to be used on Pronger it sure as heck does have an effect on other moves....I use Campbell as an example....bad team...big contract...salary dump....get it yet ?
- landros 2

The Flyers did not have to give up any player assets to re-sign Timonen. They would have to, to acquire Campbell.

That's innaccurate. What I said was with the makeup of the Flyers defense, they're going to need the forwards to support the defense and play a solid team game if the Flyers are going to compete with the better teams in the League. And they've shown this year that they can do so.
- MJL

So you don't think they need to upgrade is what your saying ? Which is it?

The Flyers did not have to give up any player assets to re-sign Timonen. They would have to, to acquire Campbell.
- MJL

Not if the cap # s don't work.

I don;t follow the sixers, but isn't this what they are trying to do?
Tank for the best possible lottery pick?

I can't imagine paying real money to go to a game though.
- Marc D

They just traded one of their better players for a guy with crippled knees. Who knows what their plan is. There is nothing close to a Lebron in this draft. It's a real travesty people are paying money for a team that isn't even trying. Total farce.

If you look at both players at the time of the trade. Both teams were trading for players they were hoping would get better.
And in fact I can successfully show that Luke Schenn was the more accomplished player at the time of the trade.
- MJL

Actually JVR had an injury filled year after a fairly good playoff, where he played very well...Schenn had been a healthy scratch in Toronto and had really fallen out of favor. The Pressure of the big smoke was making the kid miserable.....he needed out and they needed to get rid of him.

That's definitely odd, but maybe it would work. You run the risk of absolutely burrying an already bad team though.

They really just need to downsize the league by 6 or 8 teams so it seems like teams might actually have a shot at the beginning of the season. Of course that will never happen though.
- hereticpride

Nope. You never see contraction in any sport on that level. I'm not a huge NBA fan now. I used to be back in the days of Bird/Magic, and Jordan. That was real basketball.

Actually JVR had an injury filled year after a fairly good playoff, where he played very well...Schenn had been a healthy scratch in Toronto and had really fallen out of favor. The Pressure of the big smoke was making the kid miserable.....he needed out and they needed to get rid of him.
- landros 2

Actually Luke Schenn was a top defenseman playing top minutes in key situations in Toronto for a couple of Seasons. And also had some inconsistent Seasons where his minutes were down.
The only time that JVR was a top forward for the Flyers was for a short span of 11 games one playoff Season. The rest of the time, he was way down on the list of key forwards for the Flyers.
Luke Schenn spent far more time as a top player as a Leaf, then JVR did as a Flyer.

They just traded one of their better players for a guy with crippled knees. Who knows what their plan is. There is nothing close to a Lebron in this draft. It's a real travesty people are paying money for a team that isn't even trying. Total farce.
- PLindbergh31

I'm pretty sure you can get tickets from Stubhub for under 5 bucks on nearly any game day. I don't know how they even turn a profit.

Definitely not for Laughton, but I'd almost definitely do it for the 1st this year.

A 23-year-old top-4 dman, who skates wonderfully, has a huge shot, good hockey IQ and an aggressive mindset? Yes, please.

I think we need to put his "struggling" into perspective... he's struggled with meeting his top-pairing potential, and he makes some youthful mistakes, but the Steve Eminger factor here is tiny.

He's a pretty good driver of possession considering the crap talent he has to work with... if he was on a team where the top-point getters could muster more than a shade above 0.5 ppg, and his team operated at better than a last-ranked 9% PP efficiency, I'm thinking his point totals would better reflect his talent level.
- Tomahawk

I tend to agree. You make a lot of excellent points, as usual.


I was surprised Kulikov didn''t make the Russian Olympic team.

The 10-45 Milwaukee Bucks lead the Sixers 73-44 at halftime.

What an absolute collection of losers.
- PLindbergh31

tbh no one gives a poop