Timonen for a first and a decent prospect would be too good to pass up. That kind of deal would signify the team giving up on this season though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Not if they twisted it as an attempt to add cap space for someone like Buff.

Like Callahan, I'd be really worried if Girardi is really a Grade A talent, or more a beneficiary of being in a system that was virtually perfect for his skill-set, especially if it's going to cost $$$/+++ to get him.
- Tomahawk

I guess I have more confidence in him than you. I don't see him as an elite defenseman, but I do like him. He's not very gifted offensively, but he's a very solid defender.

which is why we should trade timonen
- 2Real

That SJ team had the depth to do that. The Flyers do not. Those trades would be akin to us trading Downie and (an expiring) Grossmann.

Not if they twisted it as an attempt to add cap space for someone like Buff.
- SchennBros

Thats an interesting thought. Im not a huge Byfuglien guy, but trading Kimmo to acquire assets would help offset the assets given up for a better defenseman. It wouldn't be an even deal, but it would keep the team from losing significant youth.

Like Callahan, I'd be really worried if Girardi is really a Grade A talent, or more a beneficiary of being in a system that was virtually perfect for his skill-set, especially if it's going to cost $$$/+++ to get him.
- Tomahawk

I'm more terrified of Ryan Callahan as a free agent signing than anything I've ever dreamed of the Flyers doing.

I'm totally serious -- I am flat-out terrified that the Flyers are going to be in on him on Day 1. I've never been as afraid of what a player will look like, ever -- and I mean EVER -- as what Ryan Callahan will look like in Years 5, 6 and 7

Is he still around somewhere?
- jmatchett383

He retired today, actually.

Like Callahan, I'd be really worried if Girardi is really a Grade A talent, or more a beneficiary of being in a system that was virtually perfect for his skill-set, especially if it's going to cost $$$/+++ to get him.
- Tomahawk

He's going to command a significant salary as a UFA and he's also going to cost a lot in trade. I like him, think he's good, but he's not going to fill the biggest need the Flyers have.

That SJ team had the depth to do that. The Flyers do not. Those trades would be akin to us trading Downie and (an expiring) Grossmann.
- jmatchett383

It'd still be worth it to me. The Sharks also added Torres and Hannan for far less than they got for Clowe & Murray.

That SJ team had the depth to do that. The Flyers do not. Those trades would be akin to us trading Downie and (an expiring) Grossmann.
- jmatchett383

It was also the perfect storm. We have all been saying that we would trade guys like Downie, Mez or Kimmo if someone gave us a very strong offer. The Sharks got those strong offers.

I doubt they were ready to dump Clowe and Murray for a mid-late round pick.

He's going to command a significant salary as a UFA and he's also going to cost a lot in trade. I like him, think he's good, but he's not going to fill the biggest need the Flyers have.
- Jsaquella

Not for the money/term (7 years, $7M) he's gonna want.

I guess I have more confidence in him than you. I don't see him as an elite defenseman, but I do like him. He's not very gifted offensively, but he's a very solid defender.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree with everything you said, only that he's about to get paid like an elite defenseman. Like Jsaq, I might lean toward using all that $ to bring in a less-coveted option and use the difference to fill other needs or to further bolster the blueline.

He's going to command a significant salary as a UFA and he's also going to cost a lot in trade. I like him, think he's good, but he's not going to fill the biggest need the Flyers have.
- Jsaquella

I wouldn't trade for him. I'm talking about FA.

I'm more terrified of Ryan Callahan as a free agent signing than anything I've ever dreamed of the Flyers doing.

I'm totally serious -- I am flat-out terrified that the Flyers are going to be in on him on Day 1. I've never been as afraid of what a player will look like, ever -- and I mean EVER -- as what Ryan Callahan will look like in Years 5, 6 and 7
- AllInForFlyers

They don't need Ryan Callahan. I would be shocked if the Flyers showed any serious interest. Im sure they will kick the tires as they always do, but that is about it.

It'd still be worth it to me. The Sharks also added Torres and Hannan for far less than they got for Clowe & Murray.
- Jsaquella

Yes. But remember, Clowe had 0 goals on the season, and Murray, well, he's pretty bad. They could get by without. Us losing Timonen is waving a white flag.

Now, for a ridiculous offer, (1st+legit prospect) I'd listen.

I agree with everything you said, only that he's about to get paid like an elite defenseman. Like Jsaq, I might lean toward using all that $ to bring in a less-coveted option and use the difference to fill other needs or to further bolster the blueline.
- Tomahawk

Boyle could very well get as much as Girardi AAV. I just feel he's a safe pick even if they need to overpay. The cap keeps going up, so overpayments don't look as bad after a couple of years. Look at Carle. No one wanted to touch him with his current salary. Now, several teams would be interested in having him.

They don't need Ryan Callahan. I would be shocked if the Flyers showed any serious interest. Im sure they will kick the tires as they always do, but that is about it.
- MBFlyerfan

I hear he's the next Mike Richards.

I hear he's the next Mike Richards.
- jmatchett383

Isn't everybody?

He's going to command a significant salary as a UFA and he's also going to cost a lot in trade. I like him, think he's good, but he's not going to fill the biggest need the Flyers have.
- Jsaquella

Speaking of filling roles, this may be overly-optimistic, but aren't they grooming L Schenn to be their Dan Girardi at some point?

I'm more terrified of Ryan Callahan as a free agent signing than anything I've ever dreamed of the Flyers doing.

I'm totally serious -- I am flat-out terrified that the Flyers are going to be in on him on Day 1. I've never been as afraid of what a player will look like, ever -- and I mean EVER -- as what Ryan Callahan will look like in Years 5, 6 and 7
- AllInForFlyers

that would be delightful.

Yes. But remember, Clowe had 0 goals on the season, and Murray, well, he's pretty bad. They could get by without. Us losing Timonen is waving a white flag.

Now, for a ridiculous offer, (1st+legit prospect) I'd listen.
- jmatchett383

They got a ridiculous return for a guy with 0 goals and a "pretty bad" defenseman.

Boyle could very well get as much as Girardi AAV. I just feel he's a safe pick even if they need to overpay. The cap keeps going up, so overpayments don't look as bad after a couple of years. Look at Carle. No one wanted to touch him with his current salary. Now, several teams would be interested in having him.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'll hate myself for this, but...do you think the Flyers should go after him?

Speaking of filling roles, this may be overly-optimistic, but aren't they grooming L Schenn to be their Dan Girardi at some point?
- Tomahawk

I'd guess that's the hope for Luke Schenn.

They got a ridiculous return for a guy with 0 goals and a "pretty bad" defenseman.
- Jsaquella

Again, if they got a "ridiculous" offer, then I'd be entertaining it.

I'm more terrified of Ryan Callahan as a free agent signing than anything I've ever dreamed of the Flyers doing.

I'm totally serious -- I am flat-out terrified that the Flyers are going to be in on him on Day 1. I've never been as afraid of what a player will look like, ever -- and I mean EVER -- as what Ryan Callahan will look like in Years 5, 6 and 7
- AllInForFlyers

If Callahan makes it to UFA, I would think there would be a mountain of Pegula-money waiting for him... with the Upstate ties, and the Sabres looking to move Ott, and all.

Edit: I was more scared of them signing Clarkson. Callahan is actually a good player at the end of the day.

Because he'd be an upgrade on what currently is on the roster?

The problem is, he's going to cost far more than he is worth.
- Jsaquella

so lets give up our future?