Skuds leads sh!ttyness with -3. Sid -2. Not impressed at all, very unprofessional to not give it their all.
- powerhouse

The Scuds experimentais not going well so far. Hope it pays off in the playoffs.

You are absolutely clueless. A first round isn't a key to a tile. It's key to gaining assets in a farm system that is devoid of talent.
- Oneonta Penguin

yea well youre stupid. see, I was in 8th grade once too.

and you use those assets to either develop them or trade them for already developed guys that are ready to win now.

when youre best players are in their prime and you have some guys at small contracts... you really cant afford to wait 3-4 years for these guys to perform well at the NHL level.

sorry.

Realistic number of what exactly?
- Oneonta Penguin

Salary to resign Jokinen

Skuds leads sh!ttyness with -3. Sid -2. Not impressed at all, very unprofessional to not give it their all.
- powerhouse

Scuds isn't exactly having a banner season in his return. Not sure if he still feels the effects of his broken leg, but he looks entirely to slow to play on a team with so many breakdowns. Sad. He's all ours til he's 39.

The Scuds experimentais not going well so far. Hope it pays off in the playoffs.
- Orpik44

Not going into the rest of the team... Yea Scuds has looked old and well yea old. Not impressed.

You are absolutely clueless. A first round isn't a key to a tile. It's key to gaining assets in a farm system that is devoid of talent.
- Oneonta Penguin

You're not wrong in the classical sense, but Pittsburgh has to go for it. They stayed with Bylsma. They stayed with Fleury. With Letang. With Dupuis and with Martin. It doesn't much matter that they're all injured. They can't do anything except go for it again this season knowing that the team can't defend well, knowing that it can't cycle and sustain in-zone pressure, knowing that Vokoun isn't coming through that door to save the playoffs. Let's not even begin to describe the bottom six forwards or the incredible lack of second-chance opportunities team-wide.

You make it like we have tons of money to play with to go shopping. Yep, I want Vitale centering the third line. We probably wouldn't be able to afford Jokinen. Do you think rationally? Really?
- Oneonta Penguin

that's all well and good but you can still afford kesler this season if you want to. that fact has been proven. maybe you should read sometime, you might learn something.

as for Vitale, I really like Vitale. I think he could develop into a 3rd line center. Jokinen is up in the air, if he wants to stay he will if he wants to take the most money, he wont be here. really not concerned about that right now.

The defense to lead you to a Cup. Thanks for proving my point. I said Martin could be out for a while. So ...

- Oneonta Penguin

well if you said Martin could be out for a while, that must be true.

Martin will be back for the second round and beyond if not beforehand if you look at the history of broken hands lately. not concerned about that.

I'm more concerned with the defensive structure and system we run more so than the players.

If Jokinen wants to come back for 3.25-4 million, he probably will and the pens can do it, I've seen the numbers. If he wants more he'll go elsewhere and probably suffer Anson Carter syndrome.

From Rotoworld:

"The Penguins are "aggressively" pursuing Ryan Kesler, according to Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Rossi says the proposed deal, according to sources, is as follows: Kesler to the Penguins for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks -- "likely" first- and third- rounders -- and Vancouver's "choice" between defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin. There could be an additional player from each side involved, but general manager Ray Shero is only targeting Kesler. The Penguins could slide Kesler in at top-line right wing this season, but long-term they see him being a center. The report also indicates that Pittsburgh would continue its efforts to trade for Kesler this offseason if it is unable to acquire him by the deadline."

Would playing him as a RW make anyone feel better?

You need more weed in your life.
- Ryan_Wilson

No, I don't. You know my mantra. We are the Yankees with no system if that happens.

well if you said Martin could be out for a while, that must be true.

Martin will be back for the second round and beyond if not beforehand if you look at the history of broken hands lately. not concerned about that.

I'm more concerned with the defensive structure and system we run more so than the players.
- SuperHenderson13

Second round of the play-offs ... exactly. We could very well be out in the first. Thanks for playing anyway.

From Rotoworld:

"The Penguins are "aggressively" pursuing Ryan Kesler, according to Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Rossi says the proposed deal, according to sources, is as follows: Kesler to the Penguins for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks -- "likely" first- and third- rounders -- and Vancouver's "choice" between defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin. There could be an additional player from each side involved, but general manager Ray Shero is only targeting Kesler. The Penguins could slide Kesler in at top-line right wing this season, but long-term they see him being a center. The report also indicates that Pittsburgh would continue its efforts to trade for Kesler this offseason if it is unable to acquire him by the deadline."

Would playing him as a RW make anyone feel better?
- kfinl170

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that's all well and good but you can still afford kesler this season if you want to. that fact has been proven. maybe you should read sometime, you might learn something.

as for Vitale, I really like Vitale. I think he could develop into a 3rd line center. Jokinen is up in the air, if he wants to stay he will if he wants to take the most money, he wont be here. really not concerned about that right now.
- SuperHenderson13

Vitale isn't a third line player. Stop this development crap. We have problems if he is the third line center. Again, thanks for playing.

Second round of the play-offs ... exactly. We could very well be out in the first. Thanks for playing anyway.
- Oneonta Penguin

what? since when?

And you're welcome Alex, thanks for having me.

that's all well and good but you can still afford kesler this season if you want to. that fact has been proven. maybe you should read sometime, you might learn something.

as for Vitale, I really like Vitale. I think he could develop into a 3rd line center. Jokinen is up in the air, if he wants to stay he will if he wants to take the most money, he wont be here. really not concerned about that right now.
- SuperHenderson13

The only third line Vitale could center is an AHL one. He provides zero offense. Every 5th game he flies around and adds energy, but the other 4 he is invisible.

Vitale isn't a third line player. Stop this development crap. We have problems if he is the third line center. Again, thanks for playing.
- Oneonta Penguin

why isn't he a 3rd line player?

and stop this development crap? alright you stop your stupid crap then.

my plan is to play kesler as a 3rd line center so all of that talk is a moot point anyway.

Thanks for playing.

You're not wrong in the classical sense, but Pittsburgh has to go for it. They stayed with Bylsma. They stayed with Fleury. With Letang. With Dupuis and with Martin. It doesn't much matter that they're all injured. They can't do anything except go for it again this season knowing that the team can't defend well, knowing that it can't cycle and sustain in-zone pressure, knowing that Vokoun isn't coming through that door to save the playoffs. Let's not even begin to describe the bottom six forwards or the incredible lack of second-chance opportunities team-wide.
- Johnny Wrath

Have to go for it when your team isn't close to winning the title because of injuries and lack of depth. They stayed with Letang and how is that working out?

I think we have to talk about that third and fourth line. That is one of the reasons why this team won't win the Cup.

The only third line Vitale could center is an AHL one. He provides zero offense. Every 5th game he flies around and adds energy, but the other 4 he is invisible.
- rival22

Sorry I was thinking about Brandon-Mr. Offense-Sutter as our current 3rd line center and then I became confused.

The only third line Vitale could center is an AHL one. He provides zero offense. Every 5th game he flies around and adds energy, but the other 4 he is invisible.
- rival22

I can't wait until genius' response for this. He is the only delusional person to suggest Vitale is a third line center, or could do it. Utterly ridiculous.

Sorry I was thinking about Brandon-Mr. Offense-Sutter as our current 3rd line center and then I became confused.
- SuperHenderson13

10 goals for Brandon with no wingers. Remind me of the career point total of the great Joe Vitale.

From Rotoworld:

"The Penguins are "aggressively" pursuing Ryan Kesler, according to Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Rossi says the proposed deal, according to sources, is as follows: Kesler to the Penguins for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks -- "likely" first- and third- rounders -- and Vancouver's "choice" between defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin. There could be an additional player from each side involved, but general manager Ray Shero is only targeting Kesler. The Penguins could slide Kesler in at top-line right wing this season, but long-term they see him being a center. The report also indicates that Pittsburgh would continue its efforts to trade for Kesler this offseason if it is unable to acquire him by the deadline."

Would playing him as a RW make anyone feel better?
- kfinl170

So they would give up all of that for someone they are going to view as a third line center? Unreal.

Way too much to give up. Maybe they can talk again in the offseason but I don't like that proposed trade in the least.

From Rotoworld:

"The Penguins are "aggressively" pursuing Ryan Kesler, according to Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Rossi says the proposed deal, according to sources, is as follows: Kesler to the Penguins for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks -- "likely" first- and third- rounders -- and Vancouver's "choice" between defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin. There could be an additional player from each side involved, but general manager Ray Shero is only targeting Kesler. The Penguins could slide Kesler in at top-line right wing this season, but long-term they see him being a center. The report also indicates that Pittsburgh would continue its efforts to trade for Kesler this offseason if it is unable to acquire him by the deadline."

Would playing him as a RW make anyone feel better?
- kfinl170

Not really. I think Sid deserves a long term solution at RW. I said it before and I'll say it again....Sid will be skating between two 35 year old's next year. They aren't going to get better with age.

what? since when?

And you're welcome Alex, thanks for having me.
- SuperHenderson13

Since when? we would play Detroit now in the opening round. I wouldn't like that match-up if I were Pittsburgh. DB versus Babcock. LOL.

You are a quintessential example of why an ignore button needs to be put on this site. I only do that to delusional people.

http://proicehockey.about...for-and-what-to-avoid.htm

Your first-round draft pick isn't worth that much

Draft picks are a popular form of currency for general managers at this time of year with first-and second-round picks changing hands many times in the days and weeks leading up to deadline.

If you're a fan, however, you probably shouldn't overvalue that pick because it's probably not worth as much as you think it is. Especially the first-round pick.

The only teams willing to give up their first-round draft pick this time of year are teams that are pretty sure of their postseason standing, so you're more than likely talking about a mid-to-late first-round pick which are at times nothing more than a roll of the dice. Once you get past lottery picks, or even the first six or seven picks in most draft classes, the odds of finding a top-line player or an All-Star drop dramatically, and NHL general managers surely know this.

That's why draft picks, even the first-rounders, are rarely the focal point of trades this time of year and are usually exchanged straight up for second-tier players, or as part of much larger packages for top players.

Just as an example, let's take a look at the 11 first-round draft pick that has changed hands in the month leading up to the trade deadline in each of the past three years.

Pittsburgh traded its 2013 first-round pick along with prospects Ben Hanowski and Kenny Agostino to Calgary for Jarome Iginla, an unrestricted free agent after the season

St. Louis traded its 2013 first-round pick along with goaltender Reto Berra and Mark Cundri to Calgary for Jay Bouwmeester

Minnesota traded its 2013 first-round pick along with a second-round pick, goalie Matt Hackett, and prospect Johan Larsson to Buffalo exchange for Jason Pominville

Nashville traded its 2012 first-round pick to Nashville for Paul Gaustad

Los Angeles traded a conditional first-round draft pick along with defenseman Jack Johnson to Columbus for Jeff Carter

Detroit traded its 2012 first-round draft pick and Sebastien Piche to Tampa Bay for defenseman Kyle Quincey

Los Angeles traded a 2011 first-round draft pick and Colten Tuebert to Edmonton for Dustin Penner

St. Louis traded Erik Johnson, Jay McClement and a first-round draft pick to Colorado for Kevin Shattenkirk and Chris Stewart

Boston traded a 2011 first-round pick and Joe Colborne to Toronto for Tomas Kaberle

Philadelphia traded a first-and second-round pick to Toronto for Kris Versteeg

Nashville traded a first-and second-round pick to Ottawa for Mike Fisher

It's a useful asset and is a fine sweetener to a larger deal, but if it's the focal point of your trade you should not expect an enormous return.