It was a joke. Want no part of Kesler. He's better than B. Schenn right now, but he's also older, and injury prone. Getting Kesler makes no sense for the Flyers.
- PLindbergh31

Yeah, but not by that much

Exactly.

Morin's gonna have to be able to move the puck at the NHL level, to not be a black hole in the possession game, to even have a chance to take advantage of his defensive skill set.

If he can be 6'6 Hamhuis/Vlasic, I'd be over the moon with the pick. But it's important to note that while those guys are more defensive-minded today, they had enough puck-skill and smarts to be all-out offensive dynamos as post-draft teens. Morin's shown solid improvement in all areas, but his ceiling as a possession-contributor is still suspect, therefor his viability as an NHL contributor is still suspect as well.
- Tomahawk

He's actually a decent passer. I don't see him being a black hole like Grossmann.

Exactly.

Morin's gonna have to be able to move the puck at the NHL level, to not be a black hole in the possession game, to even have a chance to take advantage of his defensive skill set.

If he can be 6'6 Hamhuis/Vlasic, I'd be over the moon with the pick. But it's important to note that while those guys are more defensive-minded today, they had enough puck-skill and smarts to be all-out offensive dynamos as post-draft teens. Morin's shown solid improvement in all areas, but his ceiling as a possession-contributor is still suspect.
- Tomahawk

If he's a dominant physical force defensively, then we don't need him to rack up possession numbers that look good on a website. He just needs to be able to handle the puck and make the routine plays and a good first pass. That's the biggest problem with the Corsi community. And how certain types of players have been devalued. When in reality, are just as key to a team as a driver of possession.
Play a good solid team game as a whole, with good players. And possession takes care if itself.

Per McKenzie ----

Kesler's Price = a 20-25 year old Center that can somewhat fill the void of kesler leaving, a top end prospect, + 1st
- moylander

HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAno

If he's a dominant physical force defensively, then we don't need him to rack up possession numbers that look good on a website. He just needs to be able to handle the puck and make the routine plays and a good first pass. That's the biggest problem with the Corsi community. And how certain types of players have been devalued. When in reality, are just as key to a team as a driver of possession.
Play a good solid team game as a whole, with good players. And possession takes care if itself.
- MJL

I'm gonna add one thing-

I'll be more than happy if Morin handles the puck well, plays as a force physically on D, and is able to skate well.

If he's a dominant physical force defensively, then we don't need him to rack up possession numbers that look good on a website. He just needs to be able to handle the puck and make the routine plays and a good first pass. That's the biggest problem with the Corsi community. And how certain types of players have been devalued. When in reality, are just as key to a team as a driver of possession.
Play a good solid team game as a whole, with good players. And possession takes care if itself.
- MJL

I'd still like it for him to be able to move the puck a little. It's great to have a defensive defenseman, but he'll need to be paired with a good, two-way defenseman to be successful.

If he can move the puck a little, they'll be able to use a variety of partners with him.

I'm gonna add one thing-

I'll be more than happy if Morin handles the puck well, plays as a force physically on D, and is able to skate well.
- Giroux_Is_God

He been decent but it is like much of his game right now in need of improvement.

If he's a dominant physical force defensively, then we don't need him to rack up possession numbers that look good on a website. He just needs to be able to handle the puck and make the routine plays and a good first pass. That's the biggest problem with the Corsi community. And how certain types of players have been devalued. When in reality, are just as key to a team as a driver of possession.
Play a good solid team game as a whole, with good players. And possession takes care if itself.
- MJL

I didn't mention Corsi at all... was just talking about puck-moving and puck-possession, and how guys who can't put up points in junior often have trouble playing the puck at an adequate level in the show.

Take Ryan Parent for example... beautiful defensive game, excellent set of physical tools, reasonably smart, demonstrated ability in junior and key player for Team Canada... but the puck was his kryptonite and his usefulness to NHL teams was nil because he was too much of a liability with the puck on his stick. He could thread a decent outlet against teens, but that didn't amount for anything against pros.

Again, not saying Morin's going down that road, but he's going to have to continue to grow by leaps and bounds to even become 'Chara without the offense' at the NHL level.

HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAno
- Giroux_Is_God

I don't think he'll be traded until Gillis is fired. The Canucks are so crazy with self evaluation. They value their players as if they're being traded during their best season ever.

I'd still like it for him to be able to move the puck a little. It's great to have a defensive defenseman, but he'll need to be paired with a good, two-way defenseman to be successful.

If he can move the puck a little, they'll be able to use a variety of partners with him.
- PhillySportsGuy

So would I, and I also like him to have the big hammer from the point. And be a point producer. But if he just turns out to be a top physical defensive defenseman, then I'm good with that. Because I know how important that kind of player is.

He been decent but it is like much of his game right now in need of improvement.
- ob18

Oh, don't get me wrong, I recognize the fact that he shouldn't be a real consideration to play with the big boys until after I graduate college in 2017

He been decent but it is like much of his game right now in need of improvement.
- ob18

I'm hoping he can give the Flyers what Dan Girardi gives the Rangers.

So would I, and I also like him to have the big hammer from the point. And be a point producer. But if he just turns out to be a top physical defensive defenseman, then I'm good with that. Because I know how important that kind of player is.
- MJL

Id be ok with that, but I feel the team will need more of a two-way player. They already have L. Schenn and I would like to keep Coburn around for a while longer. I know Morin won't be ready for a few years, but I want the 11th overall pick to provide a little offense. Not saying he needs to run the point on the PP, but I want something.

I didn't mention Corsi at all... was just talking about puck-moving and puck-possession, and how guys who can't put up points in junior often have trouble playing the puck at an adequate level in the show.

Take Ryan Parent for example... beautiful defensive game, excellent set of physical tools, reasonably smart, demonstrated ability in junior and key player for Team Canada... but the puck was his kryptonite and his usefulness to NHL teams was nil because he was too much of a liability with the puck on his stick. He could thread a decent outlet against teens, but that didn't amount for anything against pros.

Again, not saying Morin's going down that road, but he's going to have to continue to grow by leaps and bounds to even become 'Chara without the offense' at the NHL level.
- Tomahawk

Isn't that an 18 year old defenseman is going to have to grow by leaps and bounds to become a top NHL defenseman, already assumed and inferred?

Ryan Parent had some potential, but he never had a beautiful defensive game at the NHL level. If he had, then he would have had a better NHL career.

Puck moving, possession, and Corsi are one and the same.

I'd still like it for him to be able to move the puck a little. It's great to have a defensive defenseman, but he'll need to be paired with a good, two-way defenseman to be successful.

If he can move the puck a little, they'll be able to use a variety of partners with him.
- PhillySportsGuy

Too many one way or limited guys is not a good thing. Yes, a team can be successful with a Grossmann type, just as it can be successful with a Letang or Yandle. The problem is when you stockpile too many limited guys.

That's the issue I have with the Flyers. They lack guys who can move the puck and who have above average mobility. Grossmann, Schenn & Meszaros are all below average in terms of mobility. Streit and Timonen are average at this point of their careers. Gustafsson has good mobility, as does Coburn.

There's really only Gustafsson who has good speed and puck skills.

Too many one way or limited guys is not a good thing. Yes, a team can be successful with a Grossmann type, just as it can be successful with a Letang or Yandle. The problem is when you stockpile too many limited guys.

That's the issue I have with the Flyers. They lack guys who can move the puck and who have above average mobility. Grossmann, Schenn & Meszaros are all below average in terms of mobility. Streit and Timonen are average at this point of their careers. Gustafsson has good mobility, as does Coburn.

There's really only Gustafsson who has good speed and puck skills.
- Jsaquella

Exactly. Thats why I won't be satisfied with the pick unless Morin can give SOME offense.

Exactly. Thats why I won't be satisfied with the pick unless Morin can give SOME offense.
- PhillySportsGuy

Exactly. He needs to be at least similar to Coburn

Too many one way or limited guys is not a good thing. Yes, a team can be successful with a Grossmann type, just as it can be successful with a Letang or Yandle. The problem is when you stockpile too many limited guys.

That's the issue I have with the Flyers. They lack guys who can move the puck and who have above average mobility. Grossmann, Schenn & Meszaros are all below average in terms of mobility. Streit and Timonen are average at this point of their careers. Gustafsson has good mobility, as does Coburn.

There's really only Gustafsson who has good speed and puck skills.
- Jsaquella

I agree with the mix of the type of defenseman on a team. Although I don't agree that Meszaros is below average in terms of mobility. Meszaros has good wheels as a defenseman. And he's actually the most talented defenseman on the team as far as raw skills.

Exactly. He needs to be at least similar to Coburn
- Jsaquella

Hopefully, early Flyers Coburn. I wonder what happened to that guy

So just for a little light hearted poop, thought I'd give an update.

Me and the buddies did the extreme toboggan thing today. Went well.

Tied GT's toboggan sleds behind the car, and sped down dirt roads. Nobody seriously hurt, and all limbs fully intact. Fun as hell.

Isn't that an 18 year old defenseman is going to have to grow by leaps and bounds to become a top NHL defenseman, already assumed and inferred?
- MJL

Sure it is. And that's why we've been talking about guys like Morrissey and Zadorov and marveling at their post-draft season progress, and how it suggests good things are in store for them.

Morin's improved, too, but his path seems a lot longer and less certain than the aforementioned guys. That's the only point that was being made.

Puck moving, possession, and Corsi are one and the same.
- MJL

Huh?

Hopefully, early Flyers Coburn. I wonder what happened to that guy
- PhillySportsGuy

No idea really. I thought ever since that eye injury he was a little different.

They used him on the PP, and that shot had power. Still does at times, but its never been too accurate.

So just for a little light hearted poop, thought I'd give an update.

Me and the buddies did the extreme toboggan thing today. Went well.

Tied GT's toboggan sleds behind the car, and sped down dirt roads. Nobody seriously hurt, and all limbs fully intact. Fun as hell.
- flyer_nutter

Did you tape it?

Hopefully, early Flyers Coburn. I wonder what happened to that guy
- PhillySportsGuy

He lacks top end hockey sense, and after the eye injury in the 2008 playoffs he seems to have lost some of his offensive "flair"

No idea really. I thought ever since that eye injury he was a little different.

They used him on the PP, and that shot had power. Still does at times, but its never been too accurate.
- flyer_nutter

His offense has gone down every season. I remember him having some offensive ability. Not sure what happened to it. I guess being moved off the PP made the difference.