Kesler for Kunitz.
- fiveandagame

is he good enough to play on a Canadian team?

Im taking Staal at the 2012 draft over Kesler today, sorry.

Sutter > Simmonds
1st > 2nd
Despres/Dumolin < Schenn

kind of confused here.
- SuperHenderson13

Now you are just trolling

Oh poop son, you really don't have a clue.....
- chompsey

alright, great discussion. thanks for your input.

Im taking Staal at the 2012 draft over Kesler today, sorry.

Sutter > Simmonds
1st > 2nd
Despres/Dumolin < Schenn

kind of confused here.
- SuperHenderson13

I think you lose us there. Staal basically demanded to go to Carolina, everyone knew he wanted to okay with big bro Eric. Kesler can probably be traded to 3 or 4 other teams if Pitt doesn't offer enough and can be kept for another 2 seasons after this one. You'd get him for 3 playoff runs, and I'm sorry but Kesler is better than Staal.

How is Sutter better than Simmonds, just because he plays center? Ad that 1st is a late one in a projected weak draft.

Now you are just trolling now
- keatondixon

TY

alright, great discussion. thanks for your input.
- SuperHenderson13

Mind responding to the valid replies to your post? I'd like to see your thoughts...

Now you are just trolling
- keatondixon

you mean the wayne Simmonds who had 3 full NHL seasons and his career high in goals was 16?

Elite.

I think you lose us there. Staal basically demanded to go to Carolina, everyone knew he wanted to okay with big bro Eric. Kesler can probably be traded to 3 or 4 other teams if Pitt doesn't offer enough and can be kept for another 2 seasons after this one. You'd get him for 3 playoff runs, and I'm sorry but Kesler is better than Staal.

How is Sutter better than Simmonds, just because he plays center? Ad that 1st is a late one in a projected weak draft.
- Nucker101

I was talking about Staal and Kesler on ice. Obviously given the situation, i'd take a signed Kesler. We never would have gotten rid of Staal had he not wanted to go to Carolina.

and there were actually more teams involved than just Carolina... the Rangers and even your Canucks inquired about him.

Sutter is a better all around player than Simmonds was at the time. he is more established and a more useful player. simple as that.

you mean the wayne Simmonds who had 3 full NHL seasons and his career high in goals was 16?

Elite.
- SuperHenderson13

He still was always thought of to have more offensive upside than Sutter. Look at their junior PPG rates during their final two seasons....Plus he's tougher and more physical.

Im taking Staal at the 2012 draft over Kesler today, sorry.

Sutter > Simmonds
1st > 2nd
Despres/Dumolin < Schenn

kind of confused here.
- SuperHenderson13

Sutter is not even close to better than Simmonds. Then or now.

The 1st will be a 25th to 30th overall.

Not even going to comment on Depres/Dumolin because they have little value to the Canucks.

Even with Pouliot it's not close, because the Canucks need forward prospects, not D.

I don't think PIT has the assets to get this done...

you mean the wayne Simmonds who had 3 full NHL seasons and his career high in goals was 16?

Elite.
- SuperHenderson13

Ahh yes, we all know that only goals count, that's why Kunitz is a god and a half.

I was talking about Staal and Kesler on ice. Obviously given the situation, i'd take a signed Kesler. We never would have gotten rid of Staal had he not wanted to go to Carolina.

and there were actually more teams involved than just Carolina... the Rangers and even your Canucks inquired about him.

Sutter is a better all around player than Simmonds was at the time. he is more established and a more useful player. simple as that.
- SuperHenderson13

Kesler is better than Staal on the ice. And contract situation plays apart in trade value, does it not?


And are you really comparing a 25 year old Sutter to a 22/23 year old Wayne Simmonds back then?

**before everyone in the pool freaks out**

Nobody will be punished for missing setting their lineup once.
- Fosco

Holy crap. Try to help a brother out and everyone loses their freakin' minds.

You asked for thoughts and ideas. I threw one out with some consequences I came up with on the fly, as well as a random number of "mulligans." It was meant to incent a conversation to help Commissioner Fosco, not to be put in as is for a vote.

I just didn't feel you should be responsible for thinking of everything yourself and that it might help you if a few of us could at least provide a few ideas. As you know, everyone has lives and all...

Better hope the new rules KB3Point0 suggested on the pool board aren't popular
- Fosco

Yeah I think if you miss more then one day in a row ...strikes (not sure how many but it is a fun league don't want to kick someone out if they have a bad couple weeks or such)...and not because u accidentally screwed up because of a roster add or something.

He still was always thought of to have more offensive upside than Sutter. Look at their junior PPG rates during their final two seasons....Plus he's tougher and more physical.
- Nucker101

and look at Max Talbot junior's stats. If you are going to base your valuation of a NHL player based off of their junior stats, youre going to have a bad day.

and Sutter is a better two way center with more defensive capabilities. both have different qualities.

Ahh yes, we all know that only goals count, that's why Kunitz is a god and a half.
- A_SteamingLombardi

please, inform me what else Wayne Simmonds was doing so well in those 3 seasons. all ears.

Sutter is not even close to better than Simmonds. Then or now.

The 1st will be a 25th to 30th overall.

Not even going to comment on Depres/Dumolin because they have little value to the Canucks.

Even with Pouliot it's not close, because the Canucks need forward prospects, not D.

I don't think PIT has the assets to get this done...
- Fosco

If that's the best Pittsburgh can do then screw'em. Auction Kesler off at the draft using Bettman's podium. Would be more entertaining than anything the Canucks have done recently.

Sutter is not even close to better than Simmonds. Then or now.

The 1st will be a 25th to 30th overall.

Not even going to comment on Depres/Dumolin because they have little value to the Canucks.

Even with Pouliot it's not close, because the Canucks need forward prospects, not D.

I don't think PIT has the assets to get this done...
- Fosco

I could see Gillis excepting Sutter, Bennett and a 1st
Bob Mckenzie said today that the asking price is a young center, a prospect ( preferably a forward) and a first. Unfortunately that package looks close to the asking price.

and look at Max Talbot junior's stats. If you are going to base your valuation of a NHL player based off of their junior stats, youre going to have a bad day.

and Sutter is a better two way center with more defensive capabilities. both have different qualities.
- SuperHenderson13

Alright, but it's not exactly fair to compare Sutter at the age of 25 to a 22 year old Simmonds when he was traded, the fact that they're even somewhat comparable in that argument says a lot.

Holy crap. Try to help a brother out and everyone loses their freakin' minds.

You asked for thoughts and ideas. I threw one out with some consequences I came up with on the fly, as well as a random number of "mulligans." It was meant to incent a conversation to help Commissioner Fosco, not to be put in as is for a vote.

I just didn't feel you should be responsible for thinking of everything yourself and that it might help you if a few of us could at least provide a few ideas. As you know, everyone has lives and all...
- KB3Point0

I appreciated your ideas, and I'm considering them before I put out the final suggestions.

I just think your punishments are too harsh.

And as you can see by the alarm it caused with a few managers, others agree.

People get busy and there are also occasional electronic malfunctions and errors that can cause people to miss a day.

There is no way we can employ a "one strike and you're out" kind of rule in a fun, casual pool.

Like I said, I'll make some final suggestions by tomorrow evening and we'll vote. Rules will be in place for next week.

please, inform me what else Wayne Simmonds was doing so well in those 3 seasons. all ears.
- SuperHenderson13

Besides becoming a power forward?

I could see Gillis excepting Sutter, Bennett and a 1st
Bob Mckenzie said today that the asking price is a young center, a prospect ( preferably a forward) and a first. Unfortunately that package looks close to the asking price.
- fiveandagame

If it's anything less than Sutter, Bennett, Pouliott/Depres, and a 1st, Gillis needs to pass, or be let go immediately.

you mean the wayne Simmonds who had 3 full NHL seasons and his career high in goals was 16?

Elite.
- SuperHenderson13

Sutter topped out in the 09/10 season...he really isn't an attractive piece to any team especially in a deal for a player of Keslers caliber...anyone here would rather have Simmonds over Sutter playing for them, period....more physical, more offensive and an energizer...Sutter doesn't bring much that is desired

Besides becoming a power forward?
- fiveandagame

If it's anything less than Sutter, Bennett, Pouliott/Depres, and a 1st, Gillis needs to pass, or be let go immediately.
- Fosco

Agreed. But I don't trust Gillis.