Kassian/Hodgson?

Schneider/Horvat?

I know they haven't exactly turned out as planned, but I consider them both very bold moves.

I'd also consider the Ballard deal pretty bold.

Being bold hasn't gone well for Gillis the times he's tried...
- Fosco

The two above listed "bold moves" are ones that require time to judge how they will turn out. They absolutely could go well for Gillis. Fans need more patience.

Ehrhoff was a good trade but SJ was handcuffed and had to do something.

There are a lot of layers to the Hodgson trade that I don't want to get into, but at the time I didn't like the fact that the team was supposed to be a contender and Gillis traded a decent roster player for a non-NHL ready prospect.

After Gillis was unable to trade Luongo he was pretty much forced to trade Schneider, for once again, a non-NHL ready prospect.
- fiveandagame

SJ might have been handcuffed, but only in that they had to move him. There are 28 other teams out there they could have moved him to, Gillis got them to move him within the Conference for nothing.

The two above listed "bold moves" are ones that require time to judge how they will turn out. They absolutely could go well for Gillis. Fans need more patience.
- KB3Point0

Imagine a year ago if someone would have told us that Schneider and Kesler are being shopped. What could a package of Schneider and Kesler got in return? Or if they would have held on to Hodgson a little longer and included him?

The two above listed "bold moves" are ones that require time to judge how they will turn out. They absolutely could go well for Gillis. Fans need more patience.
- KB3Point0

Gillis will use this line when he does nothing at the TDL.

SJ might have been handcuffed, but only in that they had to move him. There are 28 other teams out there they could have moved him to, Gillis got them to move him within the Conference for nothing.
- KB3Point0

Fair enough.

I think you have it backwards - the coaching philosophy has to fit the roster. Your way means that a new incoming coach means immediate roster changes.
- docmorgan

If the coaching philosophy has to fit the roster why was AV fired.

Not sure if this was posted or seen but sounds like a bidding war could be heating up between Pitts , Philly and Chicago for Kesler http://blog.triblive.com/...hipped-ice/#axzz2uvvAkitn

GM's were saying they didnt know Hodgson was available... Gillis said there were only 5 players in the NHL that they would trade him for. Kassian was on that list...lol.
- boonerbuck

You're right, he didn't mean 5 realistic targets, there were actually only 5 players in the entire NHL he would have traded CoHo for. Shero was pissed he didn't know CoHo was on the block because he was getting ready to offer up Crosby AND Malkin.

The two above listed "bold moves" are ones that require time to judge how they will turn out. They absolutely could go well for Gillis. Fans need more patience.
- KB3Point0

They still didn't turn out as planned.

I'm a Kassian fan, but he was expected to contribute more right away, especially considering the team was contending.

I think it's safe to say that neither have turned out well yet, but both still have the potential to.

Gillis will use this line when he does nothing at the TDL.
- fiveandagame

Heard that song through way too many times from GM's and coaches of this team over the years. LONG years.

Imagine a year ago if someone would have told us that Schneider and Kesler are being shopped. What could a package of Schneider and Kesler got in return? Or if they would have held on to Hodgson a little longer and included him?
- hankthetank

Have you seen how many goalies are potentially available at the TDL this year? And how many are UFAs this summer? Goalies still hold little trade value.

Luongo is here for the long haul. If Lack keeps progressing the way he has, they will have to trade him at some point. Or get ready for the Schneider scenario V 2.0
- fiveandagame

That is what I am saying.

I guess the other side of the argument is Luongo is a professional and should be a pro and act accordingly.

But the team does not really need the drama. The goalie hasn't been the issue the last few seasons, it has been the lack of scoring.

It would have been nice to get a bit more for Schneider but Horvat may be what this team needs, it is too bad he is likely a few seasons removed from providing it.

If the likely hood of trading Luongo is slim to none, if there is any game where you are unsure if you should start Luongo or the backup, then start Luongo unless the team or Luongo needs to be shaken up.

Imagine a year ago if someone would have told us that Schneider and Kesler are being shopped. What could a package of Schneider and Kesler got in return? Or if they would have held on to Hodgson a little longer and included him?
- hankthetank

Schnieder, Kesler, Edler, Hodgson and a 1st for Kadri and Gardiner.

They still didn't turn out as planned.

I'm a Kassian fan, but he was expected to contribute more right away, especially considering the team was contending.

I think it's safe to say that neither have turned out well yet, but both still have the potential to.
- Fosco

Kassian was expected to be able to contribute more than he has to date, but not immediately. That was unrealistic. He had less than a full season under his belt at that point and had spent parts of that year in the minors.

I think you have it backwards - the coaching philosophy has to fit the roster. Your way means that a new incoming coach means immediate roster changes.
- docmorgan

It means hiring a coach whose general philosophy will work with the players on hand.

From Rossi's blog today:

The Penguins prefer to keep defensive prospects Derrick Pouliot and Scott Harrington and instead surrender picks, but those parameters could change to close a deal for Kesler. Also, it is possible the deal could involve more players from both sides, similar to the one that helped the Penguins land Marian Hossa six years ago

I still believe he made his boldest move when he first took over in Vancouver, and that was letting Nazzy walk. That moment really signified change in Vancouver, and he built on top of what he had to get within one game of the holy grail.

Edit.

From Rossi's blog today:

The Penguins prefer to keep defensive prospects Derrick Pouliot and Scott Harrington and instead surrender picks, but those parameters could change to close a deal for Kesler. Also, it is possible the deal could involve more players from both sides, similar to the one that helped the Penguins land Marian Hossa six years ago
- 89_hockey

Lou?

From Rossi's blog today:

The Penguins prefer to keep defensive prospects Derrick Pouliot and Scott Harrington and instead surrender picks, but those parameters could change to close a deal for Kesler. Also, it is possible the deal could involve more players from both sides, similar to the one that helped the Penguins land Marian Hossa six years ago
- 89_hockey

Enough with the defencemen already. This team needs forwards who can generate offence.

I think you have it backwards - the coaching philosophy has to fit the roster. Your way means that a new incoming coach means immediate roster changes.
- docmorgan

I don't have it backwards. Torts was a horsesh!t hire if they expected him to have success with this group.

As for the "bold move" debate, I don't view the Hodgson or Schneider trades as bold moves as much as they were desperate cop outs. Neither player had to be panic-traded when they were. The Schneider deal was done to avoid what would have been a truly bold move (dealing with Luongo).

From Rossi's blog today:

The Penguins prefer to keep defensive prospects Derrick Pouliot and Scott Harrington and instead surrender picks, but those parameters could change to close a deal for Kesler. Also, it is possible the deal could involve more players from both sides, similar to the one that helped the Penguins land Marian Hossa six years ago
- 89_hockey

Seriously, that guy is turning into Garth with his obsession for target players. If all they got is a package around Brandon Tire-Fire Sutter then they don't really want Kesler. Move on, nothing to see here.

Kassian was expected to be able to contribute more than he has to date, but not immediately. That was unrealistic. He had less than a full season under his belt at that point and had spent parts of that year in the minors.
- KB3Point0

I'm pretty certain they were expecting more than what he showed right away. A bit more of a physical contribution in the bottom6, perhaps.

They were contending—it made no sense to trade an asset that was contributing for one they didn't expect to contribute until a few years later.

Contending teams don't do that on purpose.

Doesn't really matter. It's far in the past, and I'm happy they have Kassian, and that he's making positive steps.

If the coaching philosophy has to fit the roster why was AV fired.
- A_SteamingLombardi

AV couldn't adjust or wouldn't adjust.

Can and will Torts adjust? Not sure if he has yet the team looks different from month to month with how they play but continue not to score.

I don't have it backwards. Torts was a horsesh!t hire if they expected him to have success with this group.

As for the "bold move" debate, I don't view the Hodgson or Schneider trades as bold moves as much as they were desperate cop outs. Neither player had to be panic-traded when they were. The Schneider deal was done to avoid what would have been a truly bold move (dealing with Luongo).
- DrChristianTroy

Buyout.

From Rossi's blog today:

The Penguins prefer to keep defensive prospects Derrick Pouliot and Scott Harrington and instead surrender picks, but those parameters could change to close a deal for Kesler. Also, it is possible the deal could involve more players from both sides, similar to the one that helped the Penguins land Marian Hossa six years ago
- 89_hockey

I'm done with Gillis if he accepts a package of expendables from Pitt for a non-rental player of Kesler's caliber who has a damn good contract/cap hit to boot.