If he's gonna be sat over Rosehill, then ANY return for him is good. We have players in the AHL who can give you exactly what he does for cheaper. Hell, I can skate slowly, lose board battles, make horrible turnovers, be ineffective on the powerplay, and take bad penalties.
- jmatchett383

That's really my point. When Downie is right, he's a terror on the boards. That's one of the reasons why they acquired him. But he hasn't been that player in a while.

I didn't really like the Upshall for Carcillo trade either. It sucks that they had to do it. But some in here seem to view Upshall as the second coming of Guy Lefluer.

Upshall sucks too. Lets not forget that.

That's really my point. When Downie is right, he's a terror on the boards. That's one of the reasons why they acquired him. But he hasn't been that player in a while.
- MJL

He seems gun shy. Possibly from his injuries, or could still be hurting. I see a guy that wants to make up for it in other ways by being an agitator, problem is he has NO hockey sense or even a slightest clue as to when it is appropriate to do so.

I didn't really like the Upshall for Carcillo trade either. It sucks that they had to do it. But some in here seem to view Upshall as the second coming of Guy Lefluer.

Upshall sucks too. Lets not forget that.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly -- average player, no more, no less. There's a reason he's on, what, his fifth team?

I didn't really like the Upshall for Carcillo trade either. It sucks that they had to do it. But some in here seem to view Upshall as the second coming of Guy Lefluer.

Upshall sucks too. Lets not forget that.
- MBFlyerfan

I wouldn't say he sucks. He got into massive amounts of injury issues. That might not have ever happened had the flyers not traded him away. You look at his numbers and he is almost a .5 ppg player with all those issues he has had to deal with. But if you got by that argument than Giroux is a better hockey player than Crosby....

No moves would be a good move this season. Lets wait until the off season and evaluate what you have and what you need. Nothing can be done this year that will make this team a true contender.
- Daveflyers36

While I believe any team that makes the playoffs is a contendor, I wouldnt want to overpay for anyone. But I dont want to sell off Downie or Meszaros either.

Still don't think they do much over the next 30-ish hours -- not their history, and nothing out there really seems to make them better.

Hell, I'm not even a huge fan of Andrej Meszaros, and even I'll admit that just losing his salary for 20 games doesn't make them better.

That's the thing. If a guy has an up-and-down season and is going through a cold stretch, that's one thing. A guy who has been an outright detriment to the team and is actually hurting them every time he's on the ice for 2 months straight is another.
- jmatchett383

If I remember correctly he had a hell of a strech with Read and Couturier for a bit.. no? I mean the guy had a couple head injuries and has been bounced around the bottom lines for a while now. I think that has more to do with his lack of points and play.

While I believe any team that makes the playoffs is a contendor, I wouldnt want to overpay for anyone. But I dont want to sell off Downie or Meszaros either.
- SchennBros

You don't have to worry about selling off Downie. He has no value and you would barely be able to give him away.

While I believe any team that makes the playoffs is a contendor, I wouldnt want to overpay for anyone. But I dont want to sell off Downie or Meszaros either.
- SchennBros

Mez I can understand, but losing downie may actually help this team and there are options in the minors who can give you the same play with a better nightly effort

I didn't really like the Upshall for Carcillo trade either. It sucks that they had to do it. But some in here seem to view Upshall as the second coming of Guy Lefluer.

Upshall sucks too. Lets not forget that.
- MBFlyerfan

He had some decent seasons after leaving the Flyers. It was just poor cap management (I know MJL) and it put them in a position where they had no leverage. I believe they also sent a second round pick with Upshall.

The team had too many skilled forwards. I wasn't against trading him, but they ended up giving him away and then some.

If they managed the team better, they could have kept him and dealt him in the summer for a 2nd rounder or something along those lines.

Off topic---- Sean Avery on dancing with the stars ( stars lolololol) Rangers fans should be proud.

If I remember correctly he had a hell of a strech with Read and Couturier for a bit.. no? I mean the guy had a couple head injuries and has been bounced around the bottom lines for a while now. I think that has more to do with his lack of points and play.
- SchennBros

I think its a combination of both. Being his contract year, I'm sure he's upset with the way things are playing out. I bet that has to do with it as well.

When he first got to the team, I thought he was a very controlled player. I didn't notice any instance of undisciplined play.

Off topic---- Sean Avery on dancing with the stars ( stars lolololol) Rangers fans should be proud.
- Daveflyers36

I think he's going to kill someone someday. He's got the look of a psycho.

Mez I can understand, but losing downie may actually help this team and there are options in the minors who can give you the same play with a better nightly effort
- nonpoint22

Speculation. If there was a guy that is so good in the minors, then why isn't he playing? You can't tell me its because of Steve Downie...

Off topic---- Sean Avery on dancing with the stars ( stars lolololol) Rangers fans should be proud.
- Daveflyers36

He'll just stand in front of the judges' table waving his arms.

I think its a combination of both. Being his contract year, I'm sure he's upset with the way things are playing out. I bet that has to do with it as well.

When he first got to the team, I thought he was a very controlled player. I didn't notice any instance of undisciplined play.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yea, I see no point in moving him. If he refinds his game, then you have a 2nd-3rd line player, strong along the boards, that can play a gritty playoff type of game. If not, then when you set your playoff rosters he can be a 13th forward, and a darn injury replacement.

Mez I can understand, but losing downie may actually help this team and there are options in the minors who can give you the same play with a better nightly effort
- nonpoint22

Not sure of that. Ben Holmstrom is a guy I'd like to see get a shot. But I'm not sure that Tye McGinn or Jason Akeson can fill that 3rd/4th line role. McGinn's too inconsistent. He's either scoring a goal or going 3 games without a shot and Akeson is smaller and not especially good defensively.

Speculation. If there was a guy that is so good in the minors, then why isn't he playing? You can't tell me its because of Steve Downie...
- SchennBros

Lets look at it another way.... If we don't have someone good enough to come up from the minors to replace downie, what does that say for our farm system?

Lets look at it another way.... If we don't have someone good enough to come up from the minors to replace downie, what does that say for our farm system?
- Daveflyers36

It says most of them graduated to the Flyers team, or are in juniors.

Not sure of that. Ben Holmstrom is a guy I'd like to see get a shot. But I'm not sure that Tye McGinn or Jason Akeson can fill that 3rd/4th line role. McGinn's too inconsistent. He's either scoring a goal or going 3 games without a shot and Akeson is smaller and not especially good defensively.
- Jsaquella

I agree with your comment about McGinn. I like him alot but he is the player that when he gets called up he makes a big splash in his first game or two and then becomes the player that just floats around unnoticed.

Yea, I see no point in moving him. If he refinds his game, then you have a 2nd-3rd line player, strong along the boards, that can play a gritty playoff type of game. If not, then when you set your playoff rosters he can be a 13th forward, and a darn injury replacement.
- SchennBros

If he doesn't find his game than you have a forward who gives the puck up, is constantly trailing the play and detrimental to your shut down line playing against other teams top units. Also he is good for 4 minutes short handed a night. He is taking confidence away from Couturier's development which could hurt our team in much worse way.

What happens if we trade him? Raffl moves up and takes his place. Couturier gets a boost on both ends of the ice. And his confidence boosts and he is the player who puts up points while shutting down Malkin.

The best case scenario of keeping Downie is a scenario in which he can be on par with what Raffl can do.

And worst case scenario is playing out on the ice as we speak. The flyers have nothing to lose by trading him.

He had some decent seasons after leaving the Flyers. It was just poor cap management (I know MJL) and it put them in a position where they had no leverage. I believe they also sent a second round pick with Upshall.

The team had too many skilled forwards. I wasn't against trading him, but they ended up giving him away and then some.

If they managed the team better, they could have kept him and dealt him in the summer for a 2nd rounder or something along those lines.
- PhillySportsGuy

I thought the reasoning on trading him was Briere was coming back from injury and they wanted to keep Claude up. So in actuality you traded Scottie"too hottie" and a 2nd for Cacillo and Giroux

Couturier, Ghost, and a 1st? Where do I sign?
- jmatchett383

Pitt is considered front runners with that offer plus there 2014 1st us pretty much a 2nd I think we can beat that easy

If he doesn't find his game than you have a forward who gives the puck up, is constantly trailing the play and detrimental to your shut down line playing against other teams top units. Also he is good for 4 minutes short handed a night. He is taking confidence away from Couturier's development which could hurt our team in much worse way.

What happens if we trade him? Raffl moves up and takes his place. Couturier gets a boost on both ends of the ice. And his confidence boosts and he is the player who puts up points while shutting down Malkin.

The best case scenario of keeping Downie is a scenario in which he can be on par with what Raffl can do.

And worst case scenario is playing out on the ice as we speak. The flyers have nothing to lose by trading him.
- FlyersSteve118

I think Rafflefries would be awesome with Cooter and Reader. He has pretty nice puck possession and is more physical then most think. Plus he is defensively better then Downie. Him and Cooter can puck possess forever while Reader sneaks his way into a scoring chance.