Gardiner does not have top pairing potential. Mez did at one point. Gardiner can't defend. There is no way he can ever play top pairing minutes.
- PhillySportsGuy

Grossman is far more then a 6/7 defenseman. He's a top 4 defensive defenseman.
- MJL

perhaps for some defensively-weak teams, but he has "3rd pairing" written all over him for most teams in this league.

What can the Flyers get for Downie? Anything?
- jstross

I think they could probably get a 3rd rounder for him or so.

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- MJL

Oy Vey. Frank that. We need a righty.

Even though i like A Mac

You see potential as goals. This guy will score more goals so he had more potential.

Would you rather have Dan Girardi or Keith Yandle? Ryan McDonagh or Byfuglien?
- PhillySportsGuy

How annoying. You assume you have a better understanding of potential because you believe Luke Freaking Schenn has more potential than Gardiner?

Leave. Right now.

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I stand by that! Gardiner does not have top pairing potential. He will never be good enough defensively.

Oy Vey. Frank that. We need a righty.

Even though i like A Mac
- FrmRusiaWifGlov

Meh...I think this is a little overblown

Maybe in a couple of years. Guy has been playing in the ahl and doing fairly well offensive wise. He would have cracked the flyers roster no problem.just watch the tape. In my opinion Phoenix got fleeced
- PhillaBully

He better be doing well in the AHL with this super skillset the player has. I've never seen the player play a single second. How many games have you seen Runblad play? I have no idea if he's ready for a full time NHL role.

Oy Vey. Frank that. We need a righty.

Even though i like A Mac
- FrmRusiaWifGlov

Perhaps tomorrow sees them land a righty

What makes it questionable. He's played a top 4 role on two different NHL teams.
- MJL

I don't remember how good the Dallas D was, but his playing a top 4 role on the Flyers is only because the Flyers D is so weak.

I think Girardi and Yandle are fairly even and would depend on the mix the team already has.

If I was starting a defense and I had Yandle or Girardi to choose from, I would take Girardi.
- PhillySportsGuy

I would agree about Girardi and Yandle. I feel like I would lean to Yandle though. Not sure completely why. Just would.

perhaps for some defensively-weak teams, but he has "3rd pairing" written all over him for most teams in this league.
- FlyerGuy

Most teams? Like how many out of 30?

Most teams? Like how many out of 30?
- MJL

16+, duh

16+, duh
- Giroux_Is_God

16+, duh
- Giroux_Is_God

Most teams? Like how many out of 30?
- MJL

I would say that "most" teams, that is the majority, would have Grossmann on a 3rd pairing.

He looks a bit better on the Flyers because the Flyers simply aren't that good on D.

How annoying. You assume you have a better understanding of potential because you believe Luke Freaking Schenn has more potential than Gardiner?

Leave. Right now.
- Flyersgod

I see potential as the pairing a certain player can play on. I think Schenn and Gardiner can both be 2nd pairing players. I just trust Schenn to reach that level more than Gardiner.

Get it done.

I think they could probably get a 3rd rounder for him or so.
- Jsaquella

Can we just agree that Grossmann is a limited 4-6 defenseman, like most of the rest of the Flyers D corps and move on?

Can we just agree that Grossmann is a limited 4-6 defenseman, like most of the rest of the Flyers D corps and move on?
- Jsaquella

Yes. But only if you mean 4-6 on the Phantoms.

perhaps for some defensively-weak teams, but he has "3rd pairing" written all over him for most teams in this league.
- FlyerGuy

Grossman averages 20 minutes a game.

Schenn averages 16.

Can we just agree that Grossmann is a limited 4-6 defenseman, like most of the rest of the Flyers D corps and move on?
- Jsaquella

I would say 5-6 defenseman, but yeah ... I'm ready to move on.

Yes. But only if you mean 4-6 on the Phantoms.
- PhillySportsGuy

Nope. My issue with Grossmann isn't that he's not a NHL level guy.

I see potential as the pairing a certain player can play on. I think Schenn and Gardiner can both be 2nd pairing players. I just trust Schenn to reach that level more than Gardiner.
- PhillySportsGuy

Based on what?

Can we just agree that Grossmann is a limited 4-6 defenseman, like most of the rest of the Flyers D corps and move on?
- Jsaquella

You're cutting into Bill's page count by about 7.