i still firmly believe you guys are going to have right around 10 mil per year invested in amac and niskanen in the not too distant future. how you guys feel about that is all a matter of perspective i guess.
- stayinthefnnet

Nobody here wants Niskanen.

Trading Meszaros was a mistake.

Nobody here wants Niskanen.
- MrBigglesworth

i mean, not to speak for anybody, but i sincerely doubt the accuracy of that statement.

If we packaged B.Schenn for a legit #1 Defenceman that we so desperately need, you are saying you wouldnt do that? He's untouchable for you ? My point was that he is due for a raise. but if infact there is some magic rule that says his salary is masked by bonuses and his cap hit remains small, then I will gladly retract my statement and I am wrong.
- MrBigglesworth

Nope. I'd certainly be willing to move him for a legit number one defenseman. You didn't say that, you said that the Flyers need to get rid of him to sign a one dimensional winger like Vanek or Moulson.

Had you said, I'd move Brayden Schenn for a legit number one defenseman, i'd have agreed wholeheartedly.

I have an off topic question, I'll ask it again tomorrow maybe when there's more people on the thread. I'd appreciate any insight:

My son is tearing through his Bauer skates. Last pair lasted 9 months. He's on the ice 5-7 days a week. He's done growing. Is there a skate that will hold up to a beating and last more than a year?

If we packaged B.Schenn for a legit #1 Defenceman that we so desperately need, you are saying you wouldnt do that? He's untouchable for you ? My point was that he is due for a raise. but if infact there is some magic rule that says his salary is masked by bonuses and his cap hit remains small, then I will gladly retract my statement and I am wrong.
- MrBigglesworth

I think everyone would be willing to include B Schenn in a trade for a legit #1 defenseman. There is no magic rule for B Schenn. He is going to cost around 2.5 to 3M next year.

forwards (baring any trades and RFA rafl and Brayden re upped)
G, Hartnell, Jake, VL, Simmonds, BSchenn, Read, Couts, Raffl, Rinaldo, Rosehill, Laughton?

12 forwards
will need a 13th could resign Hall/Downie or another

D - 4 signed
Streit, Coburn, Luke Schenn, Grossmann
with Amac thats five
if they reup Gusty that's 6
they will need one more at least

goalies
Mason
Backup

D is the big question
without Amac they need 2-3 more
Is Gusty still in the plans?

with the guys signed for next year they have a cap payroll of 58.4M, 59.3 with Laughton

take out the Pronger LTIR ~ 54.4

Cap goes to say 70M
leaves them 15.6
to sign B Schenn, Raffl, Amac, Gus

B schenn ~2.5M
Raffl ~ 1.5M
Amac ~ 4.25
Gus ~ 1.25

that is about 9.5M for the unsigned RFA/UFAs

that leaves about 6M and change for another D and the 13th forward and back up goalie
- Marc D

It's a lot easier to use the Armchair GM. You can't just take out Pronger's cap hit. It needs to be on the roster submitted at the end of training camp. Maybe Kimmo might wait around without a contract until Pronger goes on LTIR at the end of September/start of October and then sign for ~$4m, but no other good free agent will.

http://www.capgeek.com/fl...armchair-gm/?year_id=2014

If we packaged B.Schenn for a legit #1 Defenceman that we so desperately need, you are saying you wouldnt do that? He's untouchable for you ? My point was that he is due for a raise. but if infact there is some magic rule that says his salary is masked by bonuses and his cap hit remains small, then I will gladly retract my statement and I am wrong.
- MrBigglesworth

again, not to speak for someone, but i dont see how not wanting him to be jettisoned due to a minimal raise necessarily equates with him now being an untouchable piece that someone wouldnt part with to address the true area of need.

Nobody here wants Niskanen.

Trading Meszaros was a mistake.
- MrBigglesworth

Messzaros was a player who was obviously affected by his injuries. He lost the physical edge he had previously, and declined drastically defensively.
I'd be happy with Niskanen at the right price. Although he is not the exact type of player I want them to get. But I don't know if that player is going to available.

It's a lot easier to use the Armchair GM. You can't just take out Pronger's cap hit. It needs to be on the roster submitted at the end of training camp. Maybe Kimmo might wait around without a contract until Pronger goes on LTIR at the end of September/start of October and then sign for ~$4m, but no other good free agent will.

http://www.capgeek.com/fl...armchair-gm/?year_id=2014
- Feanor

I figured that out about 20 minutes after that post

not my best day, but its getting better

a pint of Cold Smoke Scotch Ale from Kettle brewery, Missoula Montana is really tasty

you joined 03.09.2013

I've been posting here since 2008.

Anyway.. I think its obvious that Hartnell, Schenn (both) and Downie all need to go.
Vanek or Moulson would have been nice additions.
- MrBigglesworth

As I look at my own join date.........

Nope. I'd certainly be willing to move him for a legit number one defenseman. You didn't say that, you said that the Flyers need to get rid of him to sign a one dimensional winger like Vanek or Moulson.

Had you said, I'd move Brayden Schenn for a legit number one defenseman, i'd have agreed wholeheartedly.
- Jsaquella

Never said straight up get rid of Schenn to get Vanek or Molson. I thought Schenn was due for a big raise since he is upcoming FA, but I was corrected about that, so I then said in that case I'd take him off my hit list. And yes I would rather have Vanek and Moulson over B.Schenn.

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m)
Michael Raffl ($1.200m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Adam Hall ($0.600m) / Scott Laughton ($0.894m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.500m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($4.250m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.200m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) /

GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Cal Heeter ($0.874m)

LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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- Marc D

You can't put Pronger on LTIR until the season starts. Unless you expect MacDonald to wait until then to sign a contract, that roster is not possible.

Never said straight up get rid of Schenn to get Vanek or Molson. I thought Schenn was due for a big raise since he is upcoming FA, but I was corrected about that, so I then said in that case I'd take him off my hit list. And yes I would rather have Vanek and Moulson over B.Schenn.
- MrBigglesworth

He is due a significant raise in terms of cap charge. Nobody knows the exact bonus structure in his contract to know for sure what he's going to make. The Flyers are using the bonus cushion. And his base salary for this year is 870K

Never said straight up get rid of Schenn to get Vanek or Molson. I thought Schenn was due for a big raise since he is upcoming FA, but I was corrected about that, so I then said in that case I'd take him off my hit list. And yes I would rather have Vanek and Moulson over B.Schenn.
- MrBigglesworth

would you trade schenn to MTL for vanek straight up right now?

You can't put Pronger on LTIR until the season starts. Unless you expect MacDonald to wait until then to sign a contract, that roster is not possible.
- Feanor

That's not true. They absolutely can put Pronger on LTIR at the end of training camp. They won't do that, but it is possible.

would you trade schenn to MTL for vanek straight up right now?
- stayinthefnnet

I would want to have Vanek signed to a contract.

I would want to have Vanek signed to a contract.
- MrBigglesworth

say right around 6 years 45 mil?

You can't put Pronger on LTIR until the season starts. Unless you expect MacDonald to wait until then to sign a contract, that roster is not possible.
- Feanor

I see

so trade Grossman, start Laughton in the AHL, and don't sign Niskanen

you into the Silmarillion?

I would want to have Vanek signed to a contract.
- MrBigglesworth

Vanek has now refused to re-sign with two teams this Season.

Never said straight up get rid of Schenn to get Vanek or Molson. I thought Schenn was due for a big raise since he is upcoming FA, but I was corrected about that, so I then said in that case I'd take him off my hit list. And yes I would rather have Vanek and Moulson over B.Schenn.
- MrBigglesworth

OK, but here's what you posted:

you joined 03.09.2013

I've been posting here since 2008.

Anyway.. I think its obvious that Hartnell, Schenn (both) and Downie all need to go.
Vanek or Moulson would have been nice additions.
- MrBigglesworth

And trading a 22 year old, developing player for 30 year olds is a step in the wrong direction, to say nothing of the raises that Moulson & Vanek will likely get as UFAs.

Hey, ob. How would you rate laughton with faceoffs?
- Roytastic

He's solid, I can ask a scout to get his exact percentage from the team since the league doesn't put those figures out.

That's not true. They absolutely can put Pronger on LTIR at the end of training camp. They won't do that, but it is possible.
- MJL

That's what I meant by start of season. Like this season I expect him to be put on LTIR as soon as possible after the cap compliant roster is submitted.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...roster-will-change-opener

say right around 6 years 45 mil?
- stayinthefnnet

He refused that. Im sure he wants a longer deal.
He still has a solid 8 years of high level hockey in him, I'd have no problem giving him an 8 year deal.

OK, but here's what you posted:



And trading a 22 year old, developing player for 30 year olds is a step in the wrong direction, to say nothing of the raises that Moulson & Vanek will likely get as UFAs.
- Jsaquella

Again, I wasnt aware that he has that clause that limits his cap hit.
I thought he is due for a big raise hence why I said that. End of story

I also would have kept Meszaros over Luke Schenn.

Again, I wasnt aware that he has that clause that limits his cap hit.
I thought he is due for a big raise hence why I said that. End of story
- MrBigglesworth

He does not have a clause that limits his Cap hit!