Im not so sure there was a very good deal offered today. If the best young center that was offered was Sutter.... its a meaningless move. Its also very possible Kesler's value wont be better with the same teams knowing this summer that Kesler's list is still the same teams. Thats just the kind of gun to the head poop this team is always dealing with.

Its very suspicious that the rumors of Kesler wanting out of Van came storming out of the Olympics.... followed by Kesler denying...folowed by Gillis talking trades and admitting they didnt make the Kesler trade because the offers were not right... Did Kesler try and accelerate the process? Did Gillis? Was Kesler just being too loose with his mouth while away with his other team? This poop doesnt help...
- boonerbuck

Sounds like tampering on Shero and Bylsmas part to me. Guaranteed thats the only place he's going to waive to play for.

Here's a question, if we won the Cup in '11, would be so upset with the direction of the team today? Are we so upset because we were so close but never could seal the deal, or would we have more patience if we had a Cup from this group?
- DariusKnight

My issue with the team is that it has been a constant side show since the finals in '11. Maybe it has something to do with the media... but its annoying. Now we get to put up with the same crap at the draft.

- hankthetank

I know, right!

Here's a question, if we won the Cup in '11, would be so upset with the direction of the team today? Are we so upset because we were so close but never could seal the deal, or would we have more patience if we had a Cup from this group?
- DariusKnight

If they won, they would have been loved forever and everyone would have wanted to see them retire as Canucks and Gillis would have taken credit for something he didn't deserve.

But all that said, this team would likely still be stale now and would have needed a reboot. If they did win, they probably would have traded Schneider earlier and for more value as Luongo would be haled as a Cup winner.

But they didn't win. So change the crew now.

- hankthetank

Always entertaining.

Maybe FA's definition of a competent GM is someone who does what he says and wants.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Again, I acknowledged that as his fault if true.

You are debating an argument you've put in place for me. Ironic since you are complaining about an over bearing person.

Short memory eh?

Grabner(developed 1st rounder), Hodgson(developed 1st rounder), Schneider(developed 1st rounder legit starter), Luongo( Elite and returning from team Can), 1st round pick, several 2nd round picks

turns into

Kassian(question mark), Horvat(question mark), Markstrom(question mark), Matthias(3rd liner) and having to buy out Ballard
- boonerbuck

Grabner was expendable because him and Raymond were the exact same player but Raymond was more developed had a better upside and quite frankly was good till his back injury.
Hodgson was a trade from strength. Could he have gotten more. Sure. But we had just learned the value of a power fwd and league wide nobody was moving them. Kassian had a huge upside and potential to develop into 1. Nobody expected the injuries to Kesler and Sedin to leave huge blanks in the middle. It was bad luck and frankly bad scouting of the development of Kassian. Gillis fixed that by firing the almost the entire scouting staff.
Schnieder was a great trade. I believe Bo has a toews potential. Great leader with strong 2 way game.
Lou- this was getting something for nothing. The writing was on the wall after the snub at Heritage classic. Torts really put Gillis behind the 8 ball and he had not choice but to take the best offer on the table. I like this trade because we got a good goalie potential for a great goalie that was treated unfairly by Coaches, and Betman wit the new CBA.
If anything Gillis needs to see a voodoo man to see why he has such bad luck. Maybe all these years of fleecing GMs have caught up to his karma.
I cant believe I am defending Gillis but some things he did were the right moves at the time.

Anyone feel good that our upcoming (depending on the return (if he's even traded in the summer) of Kesler) forward lineup in a few years will be

Shinkaruk-Horvat-Jensen
Higgins-Santorelli (if he resigns)-Kassian
?-Mattias-Hansen
Sessito-Lain-Archibald



EDIT: I left off the Sedins and Burrows deliberately.
- DariusKnight

So what you're saying is that our forward group, minus 4 of the top 6, looks weak. Insightful stuff.

Grabner was expendable because him and Raymond were the exact same player but Raymond was more developed had a better upside and quite frankly was good till his back injury.
Hodgson was a trade from strength. Could he have gotten more. Sure. But we had just learned the value of a power fwd and league wide nobody was moving them. Kassian had a huge upside and potential to develop into 1. Nobody expected the injuries to Kesler and Sedin to leave huge blanks in the middle. It was bad luck and frankly bad scouting of the development of Kassian. Gillis fixed that by firing the almost the entire scouting staff.
Schnieder was a great trade. I believe Bo has a toews potential. Great leader with strong 2 way game.
Lou- this was getting something for nothing. The writing was on the wall after the snub at Heritage classic. Torts really put Gillis behind the 8 ball and he had not choice but to take the best offer on the table. I like this trade because we got a good goalie potential for a great goalie that was treated unfairly by Coaches, and Betman wit the new CBA.
If anything Gillis needs to see a voodoo man to see why he has such bad luck. Maybe all these years of fleecing GMs have caught up to his karma.
I cant believe I am defending Gillis but some things he did were the right moves at the time.
- Linden_4_Capt

The Grabner trade and Hodgson trade are the 2 that stand out as just terrible. I think he could have got more for Schneider, but I've got high hopes for Boho. Grabner and Hodgson would be great right about now.

If they play their cards right they could draft one of Perlini or Virtanen this year. One of those 2 with Boho, Shinkaruk, Gaunce and Jensen and that starts to look like a pretty good prospect pool.

If they play their cards right they could draft one of Perlini or Virtanen this year. One of those 2 with Boho, Shinkaruk, Gaunce and Jensen and that starts to look like a pretty good prospect pool.
- hankthetank

And hoping that Cassels continues to surprise. Maybe in the future we'll say, "Gillis, you were a great man wronged."

Short memory eh?

Grabner(developed 1st rounder), Hodgson(developed 1st rounder), Schneider(developed 1st rounder legit starter), Luongo( Elite and returning from team Can), 1st round pick, several 2nd round picks

turns into

Kassian(question mark), Horvat(question mark), Markstrom(question mark), Matthias(3rd liner) and having to buy out Ballard
- boonerbuck

Are you saying that Grabner was a developed 1st rounder when Gillis traded him? Even calling Hodgson a "developed 1st rounder" when he was traded is being a little bit too liberal with the term.

Grabner had more question marks than Kassian and Horvat as evidenced by his very quick trip to the waiver wire. Hodgson still has question marks.

What good does that do if they are not on Kesler's list? The list god dammit!!!!

- boonerbuck

I'm talking about the teams on his "list." Try to keep up.

Collberg doesn't even seem to be developing that well so far.
- Nucker101

the horrendous season we've had just got capped off by Snow.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
“@GeorgeRichards: FLA CEO Rory Babich says timing of Tim Thomas bobblehead day unfortunate; fans still able to get them.” Fave tweet of day.

Im not so sure there was a very good deal offered today. If the best young center that was offered was Sutter.... its a meaningless move. Its also very possible Kesler's value wont be better with the same teams knowing this summer that Kesler's list is still the same teams. Thats just the kind of gun to the head poop this team is always dealing with.

Its very suspicious that the rumors of Kesler wanting out of Van came storming out of the Olympics.... followed by Kesler denying...folowed by Gillis talking trades and admitting they didnt make the Kesler trade because the offers were not right... Did Kesler try and accelerate the process? Did Gillis? Was Kesler just being too loose with his mouth while away with his other team? This poop doesnt help...
- boonerbuck

All the reports out of Pittsburgh indicated that their offer would improve in the summer. No reason an offer for Kesler should get any smaller. And if they do then screw'em all and keep him.

The Grabner trade and Hodgson trade are the 2 that stand out as just terrible. I think he could have got more for Schneider, but I've got high hopes for Boho. Grabner and Hodgson would be great right about now.
- hankthetank

Grabner and 1st for a top 2D with great offensive game. This is like trading for Edler. The issue was that AV never really gave Ballard a shot. If I remember correctly Ballard played good in the playoffs but was benched for making 1 mistake in favor of Andrew "Franking" Alberts. Offensive Dmen sometimes make bad pinches and get caught. But you don't stifle them by sending them straight to the press box. If Av had some creativity he would have put Cody on Keslers wing. That would have solved the issue of Cody not being happy on the 3rd line. Lack of vision and adaptability killed this team. Then Gillis instead of sending AV packing gives him an extension. This is where the downfall started.

If they won, they would have been loved forever and everyone would have wanted to see them retire as Canucks and Gillis would have taken credit for something he didn't deserve.

But all that said, this team would likely still be stale now and would have needed a reboot. If they did win, they probably would have traded Schneider earlier and for more value as Luongo would be haled as a Cup winner.

But they didn't win. So change the crew now.
- bazz

Typical. Don't want to even give credit where credit is due.

Typical. Don't want to even give credit where credit is due.
- KB3Point0

Due for what? He didn't build that team.[/img]

The Grabner trade and Hodgson trade are the 2 that stand out as just terrible. I think he could have got more for Schneider, but I've got high hopes for Boho. Grabner and Hodgson would be great right about now.
- hankthetank

If Grabner hadn't been traded we would have got tired of him after a couple years. He isn't tough enough, he doesn't try hard enough all the time, he isn't consistent enough, he doesn't go to the front of the net enough... These are all things Canucks fans would be complaining about. He's freakin' Mason Raymond without Raymond's defensive skills. Grabner is not great.

Due for what? He didn't build that team.
- bazz[/img]

So he has to add every single piece? Most of the pieces he didn't bring in were playing under contracts that he got them to sign, well below market value, so that they had the space to add players that he added. He did build that team.

You sound like people who say that Team Canada won in 2010 despite Luongo. Even though without him they likely lose.

If Grabner hadn't been traded we would have got tired of him after a couple years. He isn't tough enough, he doesn't try hard enough all the time, he isn't consistent enough, he doesn't go to the front of the net enough... These are all things Canucks fans would be complaining about. He's freakin' Mason Raymond without Raymond's defensive skills. Grabner is not great.
- KB3Point0

I guess when we got tired of him, we could just buy him out like we did Ballard.

So he has to add every single piece? Most of the pieces he didn't bring in were playing under contracts that he got them to sign, well below market value, so that they had the space to add players that he added. He did build that team.
You sound like people who say that Team Canada won in 2010 despite Luongo. Even though without him they likely lose.
- KB3Point0

this

Players publicly bashing Gillis regime. Its hitting the fan.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
“@GeorgeRichards: FLA CEO Rory Babich says timing of Tim Thomas bobblehead day unfortunate; fans still able to get them.” Fave tweet of day.
- Canuckleafer

or this

Retweeted by Chris Johnston
Ryan Kesler ‏@Ryan_Kesler 15m
"Told you so" - @strombone1 ☔️