I, for one, am not comfortable trading Oduya and replacing him with an unproven youngster. Johnny O turns the puck over sometimes, but he is (frank)ing solid paired next to Hammer.

Kesler would be nice to have at the right price, but not at the expense of dismantling the blue line IMO.

23rd in penalty killing. Where were they last year? Does that matter? Umm, yeah.

If Patrick Kane prefers to play with a proven commodity over a kid who might end up . . . a right wing . . . and his re-signing could be impacted by it . . . then yeah, that could make a difference.

But some people just want to take shots.
- John Jaeckel

i thought the poster's comment were quite reasonable and more just giving a valid opinion. you thought he was taking a shot at you?

And what happened to our team D after 2010 when we lost Sopel? how was our D in 2011? Its not like we replaced the D depth instantly. It took 2 full seasons till we got it filled out again with guys who aren't crap. Campoli was a joke.
- SimpleJack

Cap hell. Next year goes up to $71MM. Apples and Oranges.

i thought the poster's comment were quite reasonable and more just giving a valid opinion. you thought he was taking a shot at you?
- Fountain-San

He was talking about one of the very few posters who mentioned something about hack bloggers.

TheGame316
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2008


Today @ 1:27 PM ET
I wish Hockeybuzz had fewer hacks posing as the official team beat writers...

I, for one, am not comfortable trading Oduya and replacing him with an unproven youngster. Johnny O turns the puck over sometimes, but he is (frank)ing solid paired next to Hammer.

Kesler would be nice to have at the right price, but not at the expense of dismantling the blue line IMO.
- CBHawks88

+1

All D guys turn it over. Some just are more likely to GET turned over in the process. Again losing Leddy >< dismantling the blue line.

Its not vindictive. I am looking for the number 1 pick or top 3 at worst. McDavid or Eichels. Will take either one. Plus their best player, top 2 prospects and the next year's number 1.
- Elbows15

Sorry, I've looked at this like four times and want to get it straight. For Kane, you would want the Sabres first in 2015 AND 2016, Tyler Myers, and take your pick of two of Zadorov, Ristolainin, Grigorinko, and Armia

I think you need to stop playing Xbox (which most likely wouldn't do this trade either)

He was talking about one of the very few posters who mentioned something about hack bloggers.

TheGame316
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2008


Today @ 1:27 PM ET
I wish Hockeybuzz had fewer hacks posing as the official team beat writers...
- CaptainBlackhawk

Any draft day trade is going to be influenced by how they do in the post season.

If the Hawks go deep into the post-season, there will be no need or pressure to make a Kessler size deal.

Hell, there isn't any pressure now. Stan didn't do anything and the press are pretty much blasting the fans for wanting a deal…..


I highly doubt Stan would trade TT for anyone, let alone a crumbling beauty like Kessler. He's no longer Kes-lord like he was in 2010.

But there's a month and a post season to deal with before any of that…..

He was responding to this guy. i saw the hack blogger comment which was rude but this one seems very reasonable. and from a Hawk fan

Seeing they've accomplished that with the likes of Oduya, Roszival, Brookbank this year and in the past the likes of Campoli, Boynton, Johnsson, Sopel... really... it shouldn't be as difficult as you seem to believe it will be.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Not really related to the discussion but, Kim Johnssson. Only thing we ever accomplished with him was a headache and the world's best disappearing hockey player magic trick.

Yeah. He is as unproven as TT at this point Roar.
- Elbows15

Well Rundbald has played on American ice and had some success...

Even with your doomsday scenario I do it.

I like Shaw but he is just a guy there are allot of similar players out there. Leddy is a 3rd pairing guy who I think will be over taken by Rundblad next season and no one knows what TT will amount to.
- paulr

Wow Paul,
The new Swedish guy hasn't skated so much as 1 shift or 1 second of ice with this Blackhawks squad -- but presuming Leddy is still here -- or even if gone -- could fill his spot.

You're relying an awful lot on Wiz's scouting report.
You may be right but I'd sure like to see some body of work with this squad before I jump to that conclusion.

Kesler is not elite. He is a very good 2C who puts up his best numbers playing wing. Would I like him on the Hawks, sure. And truthfully, I rather a proven NHL player over a prospect all day every day. However, the Bowmans at this point in time, don't.
- Elbows15

Like that one time he played center dropped 41 goals and won the Selke award?

Keith and Hammer were also massively underwhelming compared to their form in 2010.
- prd797

Hammer also switched sides...

I, for one, am not comfortable trading Oduya and replacing him with an unproven youngster. Johnny O turns the puck over sometimes, but he is (frank)ing solid paired next to Hammer.

Kesler would be nice to have at the right price, but not at the expense of dismantling the blue line IMO.
- CBHawks88

Going after Kesler by trading our top prospect and some defenseman in the offseason if we're pressured to make a big move after an early embarrassing playoff exit is one thing.....but acting like we missed out on some huge opportunity by not trading for him now is entirely different. We may very well win it all this year, keep TT, keep the defensive depth, and realize that we dont need Kesler at all.

Going after Kesler by trading our top prospect and some defenseman in the offseason if we're pressured to make a big move after an early embarrassing playoff exit is one thing.....but acting like we missed out on some huge opportunity by not trading for him now is entirely different. We may very well win it all this year, keep TT, keep the defensive depth, and realize that we dont need Kesler at all.
- SimpleJack

"Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive."

Wow Paul,
The new Swedish guy hasn't skated so much as 1 shift or 1 second of ice with this Blackhawks squad -- but presuming Leddy is still here -- or even if gone -- could fill his spot.

You're relying an awful lot on Wiz's scouting report.
You may be right but I'd sure like to see some body of work with this squad before I jump to that conclusion.
- savvyone-1

I'm not relying in just Wiz's scouting report, Redline, Hockey's Futures and Craig Button are all echoing the same thing.

David Rundblad comes to the Hawk organization ahead of all other prospective defenseman in the Hawk system. He is an outstanding skatergood speed and balance, is a very good passer who breaks the zone with smart accurate break out passes, he has a wicked shot with a quick release and can run the powerplay. He improved his defensive game to the point he is ready for the NHL and he will get involved in the play but he doesn't initiate physical contact. He got lost in the mix in Phoenix who wanted more physicality then what Rundblad was going to offer.

I'm not relying in just Wiz's scouting report, Redline, Hockey's Futures and Craig Button are all echoing the same thing.

David Rundblad comes to the Hawk organization ahead of all other prospective defenseman in the Hawk system. He is an outstanding skatergood speed and balance, is a very good passer who breaks the zone with smart accurate break out passes, he has a wicked shot with a quick release and can run the powerplay. He improved his defensive game to the point he is ready for the NHL and he will get involved in the play but he doesn't initiate physical contact. He got lost in the mix in Phoenix who wanted more physicality then what Rundblad was going to offer.
- paulr

Everything you've just listed is precisely what makes the Hawks system oh so effective.

Everything you've just listed is precisely what makes the Hawks system oh so effective.
- CaptainBlackhawk

And could be the very reason Bowman went against his normal MO and gave up a draft pick for.

Personally the concern I see is the fact his defensive game is in question.

I, for one, am not comfortable trading Oduya and replacing him with an unproven youngster. Johnny O turns the puck over sometimes, but he is (frank)ing solid paired next to Hammer.

Kesler would be nice to have at the right price, but not at the expense of dismantling the blue line IMO.
- CBHawks88

Lot of folks would make a solid pair with the Hammer.

If Bickell poops the bed in the PO's, we are stuck with him. I was all for trading Bickell, TT and Leddy to get him, but Leddy, Shaw, TT and moving Oduya for picks or a marginal role player or two just seems to create too many roster holes to plug, especially if we're also stuck with a no-show Bickell.

I would hope the FO is looking more at How the team plays than the Results. Whether they get knocked out in the fist round or the finals, they have to judge the team on how they play. I look at the team as 12 cylinder engine.(Only looking at forwards) It can run on 11 (-#2C) but why wouldn't you get it fixed so the engine can work much more efficiently? Big deal, the team won without a #2C, but just think were they would be if they had one for all these years, maybe the Detroit series doesn't need to go 7 games, maybe some of the other games don't go into OT. Think about how much more hockey these guys had (and have) to play because of it. I think it is not smart to thing just because this team won 2 SC with a hole in it it can do it again. That puts more pressure on everyone.

Makes sens Mike. Business, not personal. There are 2 studs in 2015 as of right now. McDavid and Eichels. You want a shot at either one if you are going to lose Kane.
- Elbows15

It would suck big time if the bottom team he was traded to at the time ended up number 8 in the draft order or something though. Obviously there's risk involved

I would hope the FO is looking more at How the team plays than the Results. Whether they get knocked out in the fist round or the finals, they have to judge the team on how they play. I look at the team as 12 cylinder engine.(Only looking at forwards) It can run on 11 (-#2C) but why wouldn't you get it fixed so the engine can work much more efficiently? Big deal, the team won without a #2C, but just think were they would be if they had one for all these years, maybe the Detroit series doesn't need to go 7 games, maybe some of the other games don't go into OT. Think about how much more hockey these guys had (and have) to play because of it. I think it is not smart to thing just because this team won 2 SC with a hole in it it can do it again. That puts more pressure on everyone.
- powerenforcer

Two with out TT one with out Shaw or Leddy (who barely played) so by your logic the center position is vastly upgraded, Leddy who barely saw the ice is a wash meaning Oduya is the real only loss to significantly upgrade that position.

Seems like kind of a no brainer.

It would suck big time if the bottom team he was traded to at the time ended up number 8 in the draft order or something though. Obviously there's risk involved
- BlazinMike

Don't worry about it, Bettman will make up some silly lottery that will guarantee the team gets #1 pick. Haven't we seen that before? Maybe even twice??????

I would hope the FO is looking more at How the team plays than the Results. Whether they get knocked out in the fist round or the finals, they have to judge the team on how they play. I look at the team as 12 cylinder engine.(Only looking at forwards) It can run on 11 (-#2C) but why wouldn't you get it fixed so the engine can work much more efficiently? Big deal, the team won without a #2C, but just think were they would be if they had one for all these years, maybe the Detroit series doesn't need to go 7 games, maybe some of the other games don't go into OT. Think about how much more hockey these guys had (and have) to play because of it. I think it is not smart to thing just because this team won 2 SC with a hole in it it can do it again. That puts more pressure on everyone.
- powerenforcer

BINGO! How a team plays tells the real story.

"Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive."
- fattybeef

Whats that from?