I think its safe to say that this season has been a major disappointment. To be honest, my enthusiasm for the rest of this year is less then stellar. With that said, I think the off season has the potential to be exiting. We will see what will happen with Kesler and/or Edler. We have the draft, free agency and chance to see if any of the prospects are ready to make the jump.

I'm not jumping off the bandwagon, but its safe to say that this season is going nowhere.
- fiveandagame

Getting good returns for Kesler and/or Edler will be very crucial for the next few years. And yes, getting a high pick this year can't hurt. I'm not pumped about finishing 9th or 10th in the West.

Getting good returns for Kesler and/or Edler will be very crucial for the next few years. And yes, getting a high pick this year can't. I'm not pumped about finishing 9th or 10th in the West.
- Nucker101

I don't think we will. This team is going down hard. I'm all for #tanknation this year, but I hope there are some changes this summer and we have a good bounce back next season.

edit: even though the the twins are on the decline, You have to think that them and Burrows can have a better year next year then this year. That alone will help.

Just a reminder that today is the last day for trades in the CWHL. I'm bored at work if anybody wants to get any other moves done.

Don't worry, you're dealing with the decision maker here

Just a reminder that today is the last day for trades in the CWHL. I'm bored at work if anybody wants to get any other moves done.

Don't worry, you're dealing with the decision maker here
- Chest Rockwell

Make me some real offers

Adam Proteau ‏@Proteautype 45m
If I'm Canucks brass & Roberto Luongo retires before his contract ends, I walk into NHL HQ holding pictures of the Devils logo & Kovalchuk.

This is a good point. For everyone worried about the recapture penalty, the Devils have hopefully set a precedent.

Just a reminder that today is the last day for trades in the CWHL. I'm bored at work if anybody wants to get any other moves done.

Don't worry, you're dealing with the decision maker here
- Chest Rockwell

I've officially sold my team to Aquilini, therefore I am closed for business until he sells the team.

Adam Proteau ‏@Proteautype 45m
If I'm Canucks brass & Roberto Luongo retires before his contract ends, I walk into NHL HQ holding pictures of the Devils logo & Kovalchuk.

This is a good point. For everyone worried about the recapture penalty, the Devils have hopefully set a precedent.
- fiveandagame

Getting good returns for Kesler and/or Edler will be very crucial for the next few years. And yes, getting a high pick this year can't hurt. I'm not pumped about finishing 9th or 10th in the West.
- Nucker101

Moving those two, if allowed, will jump start things for sure.

Just a reminder that today is the last day for trades in the CWHL. I'm bored at work if anybody wants to get any other moves done.

Don't worry, you're dealing with the decision maker here
- Chest Rockwell

I'd like one trade with Nucker.

Adam Proteau ‏@Proteautype 45m
If I'm Canucks brass & Roberto Luongo retires before his contract ends, I walk into NHL HQ holding pictures of the Devils logo & Kovalchuk.

This is a good point. For everyone worried about the recapture penalty, the Devils have hopefully set a precedent.
- fiveandagame

Am I missing something? I thought the Devils just got their 1st rounder back (last pick in the round/nontransferable) & reduced fines for conscious circumvention of the cap... What does it have to do with recapture?

The doom and gloom on here is pathetic.

I'll come in to post pool info, but other than that, I don't think I'll be around much—listening to female doging and moaning is not the reason why I watch or chat about hockey.

I'll also check my PMs if anybody has questions about the pool.

Enjoy the rest of the season and the summer
- Fosco

OK - see you tomorrow.

OK - see you tomorrow.
- docmorgan

Am I missing something? I thought the Devils just got their 1st rounder back (last pick in the round/nontransferable) & reduced fines for conscious circumvention of the cap... What does it have to do with recapture?
- DrChristianTroy

The NHL rescinded the penalty for conscious circumvention of the cap. The recapture penalty is also a penalty for conscious circumvention of the cap. If it ever came down to a recapture penalty, a good lawyer for the Canucks would have a pretty strong case against the NHL to have that recapture penalty rescinded (or reduced) citing the NJ/Kovalchuck decision.

It might not be a slam dunk, but it definitely give the Canucks some wiggle room if it came down to it.

The NHL rescinded the penalty for conscious circumvention of the cap. The recapture penalty is also a penalty for conscious circumvention of the cap. If it ever came down to a recapture penalty, a good lawyer for the Canucks would have a pretty strong case against the NHL to have that recapture penalty rescinded (or reduced) citing the NJ/Kovalchuck decision.

It might not be a slam dunk, but it definitely give the Canucks some wiggle room if it came down to it.
- fiveandagame

The Devils paid recapture this year & that part of it wasn't altered. If anything, THAT is the precedent.

I've officially sold my team to Aquilini, therefore I am closed for business until he sells the team.
- Nucker101

Aww C'mon. Let's do one trade before the deadline; even if it's a small one.

The Devils paid recapture this year & that part of it wasn't altered. If anything, THAT is the precedent.
- DrChristianTroy

Giving them a first round draft pick back this year speaks volumes here. The fact that Lou never gave one up over the 4 year window he was supposed to (especially when they could have given up the 29th pick in 2012) makes a lot of people think that Lou knew if he fought it long enough he would never have to.

The Devils paid recapture this year & that part of it wasn't altered. If anything, THAT is the precedent.
- DrChristianTroy

Yes, but the NHL gave the pick back showing that the penalty can be adjusted. A good lawyer has something to sink their teeth into. It could very easy turn into a class action suit with Chicago (Hossa) and Detroit (Zetterburg) getting involved as well.

Yes, but the NHL gave the pick back showing that the penalty can be adjusted. A good lawyer has something to sink their teeth into. It could very easy turn into a class action suit with Chicago (Hossa) and Detroit (Zetterburg) getting involved as well.
- fiveandagame

Sorry, I disagree. What was altered for the Devils was never even part of the Canucks punishment. Apples & oranges. As of today, recapture stands.

Am I missing something? I thought the Devils just got their 1st rounder back (last pick in the round/nontransferable) & reduced fines for conscious circumvention of the cap... What does it have to do with recapture?
- DrChristianTroy

Nothing at all, people are confused about 2 different issues.

Sorry, I disagree. What was altered for the Devils was never even part of the Canucks punishment. Apples & oranges. As of today, recapture stands.
- DrChristianTroy

But you admit the penalty was altered. That's all a lawyer needs to form an argument.

You be the doctor, let me be the lawyer.

Sorry, I disagree. What was altered for the Devils was never even part of the Canucks punishment. Apples & oranges. As of today, recapture stands.
- DrChristianTroy

Generally these things get grandfathered in but if the owners signed off on the introduction of the recapture penalty in the new CBA that would be applied retroactively covering all existing contracts then it would be tough to dispute it in court.

Generally these things get grandfathered in but if the owners signed off on the introduction of the recapture penalty in the new CBA that would be applied retroactively covering all existing contracts then it would be tough to dispute it in court.
- AlexF

But somehow the Devils got out of it.

But you admit the penalty was altered. That's all a lawyer needs to form and argument.

You be the doctor, let me be the lawyer.
- fiveandagame

But the Devils paid their recapture penalty for this year.
They may have changed the penalty for assault, but we are being charged with arson.

But you admit the penalty was altered. That's all a lawyer needs to form and argument.

You be the doctor, let me be the lawyer.
- fiveandagame

Exactly, all any good lawyer needs is a thread to start pulling on to unravel everything. The BIGGEST precedent set by the league today was that they will alter the punishments for trying to circumvent the cap. Now that they have done that, all bets are off.

But somehow the Devils got out of it.
- fiveandagame

I'm confused by your argument. The Devils were penalized up front as Kovalchuk's contract was deemed to have circumvented the cap. That was later reduced.

The Canucks have never been penalized for Luongo's contract as it wasn't deemed to have circumvented the cap.

What we are talking about here is the possibility of a recapture penalty if Luongo retires early. That's a different clause all together.