Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Comeback Point, 21 in 5 Doesn't Cut It, and more

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Comeback Point, 21 in 5 Doesn't Cut It, and more
- bmeltzer

Still struggling to help out a goalie

Had 9th row seats at the top of the circle....so I got to watch up close on the winner ( and the first 2 on 4 shots for that matter) ...on the winner Streit assumed it was man to man coverage as he stuck with his guy Kadri as he entered zone...Vinny let his man go....and by the time he realized it it was too late ....not sure how the Flyers play 4on4 in their own end, but the play should not happen....mental error.
Game note ranged from, a very poor game for Grossman who had some bad bounces and doesn't seem to play with very much confidence.....L Schenn is better up close, he can really learn from Timo about how to use angles and position to cover up speed issue....Timo was great.....Vinny was invisible ...looked disinterested.
I really liked mobility of Streit and Macdonald....Macdonald is a keeper....
Top line looked great, but G really does need a sniper.....calls by the stripes were not good....that disallowed Flyer goal was awfull....the guy 80 feet away made the call!!!
Anyways was nice to get a point after the that start....

Berube needs to reel them in defensively again.

I love the up-tempo in your face Laviolette style of play, but this team cant play that way.

Especially against the faster teams, forwards must really be on their game and try and clog up the neutral zone. Far too many times Leaf forwards were allowed to blow by the slow footed D.

With how they played defensively, they deserved no more than 1 point, and got it.

Oh and a message to Coburn .....see what happens when you actually hit the net !!!

Had 9th row seats at the top of the circle....so I got to watch up close on the winner ( and the first 2 on 4 shots for that matter) ...on the winner Streit assumed it was man to man coverage as he stuck with....Vinny let his man go....and by the time he realized it it was too late ....not sure how the Flyers play 4on4 in their own end, but the play should not happen....mental error.
Game note ranged from, a very poor game for Grossman who had some bad bounces and doesn't seem to play with very much confidence.....L Schenn is better up close, he can really learn from Timo about how to use angles and position to cover up speed issue....Timo was great.....Vinny was invisible ...looked disinterested.
I really liked mobility of Streit and Macdonald....Macdonald is a keeper....
Top line looked great, but G really does need a sniper.....calls by the stripes were not good....that disallowed Flyer goal was awfull....the guy 80 feet away made the call!!!
Anyways was nice to get a point after the that start....
- landros 2

Awesome seats, congrats. I thought the Flyers got their fair share of breaks in terms of refs as well. That play where Coburn used his hand to sweep the puck under his body stands out in particular. Im pretty sure he did it twice in one sequence, with the ref standing over him.

Awesome seats, congrats. I thought the Flyers got their fair share of breaks in terms of refs as well. That play where Coburn used his hand to sweep the puck under his body stands out in particular. Im pretty sure he did it twice in one sequence, with the ref standing over him.
- flyer_nutter

Didn't see the Coburn play...gotta be honest...considering they got a point and trailed pretty much the entire game....I'll take it...

Bill I feel like you're giving Mason a pass here. His rebound control was poor all night.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Comeback Point, 21 in 5 Doesn't Cut It, and more
- bmeltzer

I hate how this team needs to get their asses kicked a couple of times before they fix their defensive zone problems. Then they figure it out and play 5 good defensive games in a row.

They should be able to recognize their problems now.

Oh and a message to Coburn .....see what happens when you actually hit the net !!!
- landros 2

thank you!
been saying this for years now

Had 9th row seats at the top of the circle....so I got to watch up close on the winner ( and the first 2 on 4 shots for that matter) ...on the winner Streit assumed it was man to man coverage as he stuck with his guy Kadri as he entered zone...Vinny let his man go....and by the time he realized it it was too late ....not sure how the Flyers play 4on4 in their own end, but the play should not happen....mental error.
Game note ranged from, a very poor game for Grossman who had some bad bounces and doesn't seem to play with very much confidence.....L Schenn is better up close, he can really learn from Timo about how to use angles and position to cover up speed issue....Timo was great.....Vinny was invisible ...looked disinterested.
I really liked mobility of Streit and Macdonald....Macdonald is a keeper....
Top line looked great, but G really does need a sniper.....calls by the stripes were not good....that disallowed Flyer goal was awfull....the guy 80 feet away made the call!!!
Anyways was nice to get a point after the that start....
- landros 2

I don't care who made the call, when a puck is covered for THAT long, the play is dead. No way should that have been a goal.

Bill I feel like you're giving Mason a pass here. His rebound control was poor all night.
- Dkos

I thought it was an uneven night for Mason. I don't think he played poorly, he allowed some questionable goals, but also made some huge saves that kept the Flyers in the game.

Flyers are living dangerously. They have been a great comeback team this year, but you can't rely on that. They have to start playing with the lead. Coming from behind expends a ton of energy, when the schedule gets packed it's going to take a toll.

Bill I feel like you're giving Mason a pass here. His rebound control was poor all night.
- Dkos

He's the only reason they got a point in my opinion.

Could have been a Leaf blowout if he had just caved in. Give him credit for battling mentally after giving up 2 quick goals (Neither were his fault).

IMO of course.

I don't care who made the call, when a puck is covered for THAT long, the play is dead. No way should that have been a goal.
- prock

Even the two refs couldn't agree...lol....I will agree to disagree , he did not have control of rebound...one guy two feet away was over ruled by the guy 80 feet away...
Side question ? What's up with the Preds ? I really thought they were going to that next level this year....

He's the only reason they got a point in my opinion.

Could have been a Leaf blowout if he had just caved in. Give him credit for battling mentally after giving up 2 quick goals (Neither were his fault).

IMO of course.
- Flyersgod

I agree that neither were his fault and that he kept them in the game. I do think however that he overplayed his angle on the Kadri goal and was too far to the left side of the net. If his angle was better, there's no way Kadri beats him to the glove side there. Mason's glove hand is outstanding.

I agree that neither were his fault and that he kept them in the game. I do think however that he overplayed his angle on the Kadri goal and was too far to the left side of the net. If his angle was better, there's no way Kadri beats him to the glove side there. Mason's glove hand is outstanding.
- MJL

Considering I was 30 feet away I will agree 100 %..... First goal, you have to get a block there, Rinaldo can't let Gardiner take that much time and not get a piece of it....the second one is "the Issue" that bites this team....poor poor back check...the Late guy HAS to be picked up....NHL players are going to bury those more times then not...

I agree that there is no way the ref in center ice should be making the call there. But the puck was under the Leafs goalie for enough time to normally get a whistle there. If the goal had counted , the Leafs would've had a legitimate beef in my opinion.
- MJL

If that's the case, and I don't think he had it for that long if at all, then the ruling should come from the guy two feet away.

If that's the case, and I don't think he had it for that long if at all, then the ruling should come from the guy two feet away.
- landros 2

No question about that. No way the ref from center ice should make that call. But look at it from a Flyers perspective. If that was at the Flyers net, and that goal counted. I think I know what the complaints would be. The call was made the wrong way, but in my opinion, the right call was made.

Even the two refs couldn't agree...lol....I will agree to disagree , he did not have control of rebound...one guy two feet away was over ruled by the guy 80 feet away...
Side question ? What's up with the Preds ? I really thought they were going to that next level this year....
- landros 2

He had it covered for several seconds.

Preds don't have the budget to compete with the big teams. Some teams in the west have gotten significantly stronger. Preds remained the same.

[quote=landros 2]Had 9th row seats at the top of the circle....so I got to watch up close on the winner ( and the first 2 on 4 shots for that matter) ...on the winner Streit assumed it was man to man coverage as he stuck with his guy Kadri as he entered zone...Vinny let his man go....and by the time he realized it it was too late ....not sure how the Flyers play 4on4 in their own end, but the play should not happen....mental error.
Game note ranged from, a very poor game for Grossman who had some bad bounces and doesn't seem to play with very much confidence.....L Schenn is better up close, he can really learn from Timo about how to use angles and position to cover up speed issue....Timo was great.....Vinny was invisible ...looked disinterested.
I really liked mobility of Streit and Macdonald....Macdonald is a keeper....
Top line looked great, but G really does need a sniper.....calls by the stripes were not good....that disallowed Flyer goal was awfull....the guy 80 feet away made the call!!!
Anyways was nice to get a point after the that start...


Couldn't agree with you more. I was also there and Vinny was awful. You really couldn't notice him at all. Streit does have great mobility, but having Vinny out there with him on a 4-4 can be dangerous.I just wish we could have moved Grossman instead of Mez, as Grosman looked slow and was a minus 3.

No question about that. No way the ref from center ice should make that call. But look at it from a Flyers perspective. If that was at the Flyers net, and that goal counted. I think I know what the complaints would be. The call was made the wrong way, but in my opinion, the right call was made.
- MJL

pretty much exactly how I would describe it. A bungled call that they came to the right conclusion on. It's crappy reffing no doubt, but in the end, the right call.

If that's the case, and I don't think he had it for that long if at all, then the ruling should come from the guy two feet away.
- landros 2

Sorry guy, he had it for plenty of time (more than double the amount of time to get a whistle). It was covered by his blocker.... I'll give you the benefit of doubt as you said you were there and may not have had the benefit of angle/zoom/replay/ect. He most certainly had it covered and in full control for more than enough time. the Correct call was made.



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In this "game in 6" they clearly show it.

Couldn't agree with you more. I was also there and Vinny was awful. You really couldn't notice him at all. Streit does have great mobility, but having Vinny out there with him on a 4-4 can be dangerous.I just wish we could have moved Grossman instead of Mez, as Grosman looked slow and was a minus 3.
- 3flyerkids

None of those goals scored were Grossmann's fault in my opinion.

3 observations from last night:

1. Unless Downie was sick, he should play and not Rosehill. That entire 4th line was useless with Rosehill in there .. spirited fight, or not. The 4th line looks SO much more competent with Raffl on it.
2. If anyone should be scratched it's Grossmann. I'd love to see Gus given another chance there.
3. Timo was the best player on the ice last night. The Flyers could do a LOT worse than having him around for another year.

Sorry guy, he had it for plenty of time (more than double the amount of time to get a whistle). It was covered by his blocker.... I'll give you the benefit of doubt as you said you were there and may not have had the benefit of angle/zoom/replay/ect. He most certainly had it covered and in full control for more than enough time. the Correct call was made.
- burn

Other thing I noticed...we did not get replay at all on scoreboard....what I saw was read digging and the close ref not make a call at all....that mostly means goal....the Leafs didn't seem to argue?..... Anyways I still think it was bad call....but that's the way it goes....