It's funny to say this but I think coots missed downie's presence tonight. That third line was not as solid as it usually is. Not awful, but not dominating line they usually are.

None of those goals scored were Grossmann's fault in my opinion.
- MJL

Might want to look at the 3rd period 3-2 goal...his indecision at blue line started the play.

Sorry guy, he had it for plenty of time (more than double the amount of time to get a whistle). It was covered by his blocker.... I'll give you the benefit of doubt as you said you were there and may not have had the benefit of angle/zoom/replay/ect. He most certainly had it covered and in full control for more than enough time. the Correct call was made.



EDIT:

http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=802&id=571741&lang=en&navid=DL|TOR|home


In this "game in 6" they clearly show it.
- burn

I'm sure it did...sure didn't look that way live. Just sayin..

Might want to look at the 3rd period 3-2 goal...his indecision at blue line started the play.
- landros 2

I said that last night, that a case could be made that he was too aggressive up high there. But he was trying to cut the puck. And it was another situation where it is 3 against 2 at the net, with zero forward support. And no back check.

On all 3 goals against where that pair was on the ice, they go no help from the Forwards. Defense is a team game. It's like blaming the safety for not making a TD saving tackle when the running back already ran through the rest of the defense.

Other thing I noticed...we did not get replay at all on scoreboard....what I saw was read digging and the close ref not make a call at all....that mostly means goal....the Leafs didn't seem to argue?..... Anyways I still think it was bad call....but that's the way it goes....
- landros 2

posted the video. he had it clearly covered for more than 3 seconds. The correct call ended up being made. The whistle was ridiculously late.

3 observations from last night:

1. Unless Downie was sick, he should play and not Rosehill. That entire 4th line was useless with Rosehill in there .. spirited fight, or not. The 4th line looks SO much more competent with Raffl on it.
2. If anyone should be scratched it's Grossmann. I'd love to see Gus given another chance there.
3. Timo was the best player on the ice last night. The Flyers could do a LOT worse than having him around for another year.
- FlyerGuy

Timo is so smart out there....wow....yes it's the down side of career, but he just makes so many smart plays.....

Grossman, looked bad, but I have liked his game a lot this year for the most part...if other teams carry heavyweights, the Rosehill need to play....he is very good at what he does.

Might want to look at the 3rd period 3-2 goal...his indecision at blue line started the play.
- landros 2

Multiple times during the game he just skates over to the boards and swats the puck blindly resulting in a give away. Every time results in a shot on goal. It's painful to watch. He used to control along the boards and clear the zone our make a good pass. But now he can't exit the zone without considerable time to make a play.

Timo is so smart out there....wow....yes it's the down side of career, but he just makes so many smart plays.....

Grossman, looked bad, but I have liked his game a lot this year for the most part...if other teams carry heavyweights, the Rosehill need to play....he is very good at what he does.
- landros 2

If they dressed their heavy weight our fourth line would have skated circles around them if Downie had played.

posted the video. he had it clearly covered for more than 3 seconds. The correct call ended up being made. The whistle was ridiculously late.
- burn

3 seconds...um no...maybe in slow motion.....lol...but it does show he probably had it, just because Homer announcer says he has it ??? but I've seen a lot worse count.....I still don't like the guy 80 feet away making call.

If they dressed their heavy weight our fourth line would have skated circles around them if Downie had played.
- FlyersSteve118

They did...Fraser mclaren ...the guy Rosehill fought.

Timo is so smart out there....wow....yes it's the down side of career, but he just makes so many smart plays.....

Grossman, looked bad, but I have liked his game a lot this year for the most part...if other teams carry heavyweights, the Rosehill need to play....he is very good at what he does.
- landros 2

nothing against Rosehill ... who is a decent fighter, and seems to pick his spots pretty well. But did we notice the 4th line at all, besides the fight? The only other time I remember is when they struggled to clear the puck in front of Mason.

I just think that the Flyers are a better TEAM with Downie in there, and regardless of whether the other team is dressing an enforcer, the Flyers had a better chance of getting a much needed 2 points if they stayed with the lineup that's been working.

It's funny to say this but I think coots missed downie's presence tonight. That third line was not as solid as it usually is. Not awful, but not dominating line they usually are.
- FlyersSteve118

agreed ... I didn't like either the 3rd or 4th line. The 3rd is better with Downie, and the 4th is MUCH better with Raffl.

nothing against Rosehill ... who is a decent fighter, and seems to pick his spots pretty well. But did we notice the 4th line at all, besides the fight? The only other time I remember is when they struggled to clear the puck in front of Mason.

I just think that the Flyers are a better TEAM with Downie in there, and regardless of whether the other team is dressing an enforcer, the Flyers had a better chance of getting a much needed 2 points if they stayed with the lineup that's been working.
- FlyerGuy

I'm sure that both with the 4th line giving up an early goal, and getting down 2-0 early, is why Berube cut the bench and pretty much played 3 lines the rest of the game. There's no doubt that the 4th line is better with Raffl there, but it's not why they lost the game.

3 seconds...um no...maybe in slow motion.....lol...but it does show he probably had it, just because Homer announcer says he has it ??? but I've seen a lot worse count.....I still don't like the guy 80 feet away making call.
- landros 2

Slow mo?? In real time it was like 5seconds, which is double the time required to get a whistle.

Homer announcer?? Not familiar with the announcers are you I see.


The video clearly shows he covers the puck with his blocker. There should be no question here.

They did...Fraser mclaren ...the guy Rosehill fought.
- landros 2

I meant if we had our usual fourth line vs their heavy weight....

nothing against Rosehill ... who is a decent fighter, and seems to pick his spots pretty well. But did we notice the 4th line at all, besides the fight? The only other time I remember is when they struggled to clear the puck in front of Mason.

I just think that the Flyers are a better TEAM with Downie in there, and regardless of whether the other team is dressing an enforcer, the Flyers had a better chance of getting a much needed 2 points if they stayed with the lineup that's been working.
- FlyerGuy

For sure they are better....with Downie....I like him over Adam Hall.....but against TO, I'm glad Rosehill played.

They did...Fraser mclaren ...the guy Rosehill fought.
- landros 2

Our 4th line created plenty of chances. They almost scored on the wrap around, and McLaren almost scored on the rebound.


That aside, our 4th line hasn't been very good this year.

I'm sure that both with the 4th line giving up an early goal, and getting down 2-0 early, is why Berube cut the bench and pretty much played 3 lines the rest of the game. There's no doubt that the 4th line is better with Raffl there, but it's not why they lost the game.
- MJL

It sure didn't help.

With Raffl on the 4th and Downie on the 3rd I bet we would have won that game. In regulation.

too late now, of course.

3 observations from last night:

1. Unless Downie was sick, he should play and not Rosehill. That entire 4th line was useless with Rosehill in there .. spirited fight, or not. The 4th line looks SO much more competent with Raffl on it.
2. If anyone should be scratched it's Grossmann. I'd love to see Gus given another chance there.
3. Timo was the best player on the ice last night. The Flyers could do a LOT worse than having him around for another year.
- FlyerGuy

Early in the day it was announced the Leafs called up a goon, so of course the Flyers reacted by putting Rosehill in the lineup. I highly doubt Downie was sick. Seems awfully convenient. Don't get me wrong, Downie's play has been terrible, and I have no issue with him being benched. Holmgren should have acquired a depth forward at the trade deadline. When the only option on the roster to replace an injured player is Rosehill it's an issue.

I actually really like Rosehill as an enforcer..He seems like a good team first guy, goes out there and does what has to be a very tough job. Does it well and isn't an idiot about when to go.

That being said..

A 4th line of Rinaldo (the current version), Raffl , Hall ( a very serviceable 4th line player) brings a lot more to the team.

For sure they are better....with Downie....I like him over Adam Hall.....but against TO, I'm glad Rosehill played.
- landros 2

meh, the Flyers have plenty of toughness without Rosehill.

besides, Rosehill's ice time was 2:09.

It sure didn't help.

With Raffl on the 4th and Downie on the 3rd I bet we would have won that game. In regulation.

too late now, of course.

- FlyerGuy

They lost the game because of defensive breakdowns, and poor team defense on the goals against. I doubt having Downie in the lineup would've changed any of that.

Early in the day it was announced the Leafs called up a goon, so of course the Flyers reacted by putting Rosehill in the lineup. I highly doubt Downie was sick. Seems awfully convenient. Don't get me wrong, Downie's play has been terrible, and I have no issue with him being benched. Holmgren should have acquired a depth forward at the trade deadline. When the only option on the roster to replace an injured player is Rosehill it's an issue.
- PLindbergh31

The Flyers have made Downie a healthy scratch before. Why is there all of a sudden a conspiracy where they make up that Downie has the flu? Do you honestly believe that the Flyers care how the fans feel towards playing an enforcer, when making lineup decisions? And Rosehill is not the only option available to the Flyers.

I actually really like Rosehill as an enforcer..He seems like a good team first guy, goes out there and does what has to be a very tough job. Does it well and isn't an idiot about when to go.

That being said..

A 4th line of Rinaldo (the current version), Raffl , Hall ( a very serviceable 4th line player) brings a lot more to the team.
- opeth_pa

Hall is good on faceoffs but I'd severely lacking everywhere else. The flyers can definitely find a more serviceable fourth liner. And I was hoping they would at the trade deadline.

I absolutely hate the idea of having a guy solely for fighting on the team at all. The flyers have goneplenty of games without using him. He is completely useless.

meh, the Flyers have plenty of toughness without Rosehill.

besides, Rosehill's ice time was 2:09.

- FlyerGuy

It's imperative the Flyers have a goon on the roster every season. The fact they have been useless since the 70's is irrelevant to them.