I agree with the 4th line, but I think the 3rd line performance had more to do with having a new line mate and less to do with downie not playing. He's been frustrating lately, IMO.
- funmaster18

he has been, no question.

If Raffl had just shot the puck in OT, a moment before the Leafs won, this could have been a glorious Sunday.

I disagree about Streit. He is not particularly mobile for such an undersized defenseman. He does have good anticipation on the offensive side of the puck, and has a quick stick. It's when he gets on the wrong side of the puck or in a muscle-on-muscle battle down low that he gets in trouble.

Grossmann, who has become everyone's favorite whipping boy since January after being previously regarded for 2+ years as one of their more reliable Dmen, is a better defender than Meszaros. I do agree that his confidence looks down at times but he had been playing better over the last 10 games til a rough game last night.

Voracek and Giroux have good chemistry and each can bury a decent percentage of their chances. Voracek used to be reluctant to shoot the puck and was a pass-first player for much of his early career. He's gotten through that, though, and is much more willing nowadays to pull the trigger.
- bmeltzer

I dunno how you can say that about grossman when he continually goes into a corner doing nothing but swatting blindly at the puck.

If Raffl had just shot the puck in OT, a moment before the Leafs won, this could have been a glorious Sunday.

- FlyerGuy

I'm still happy. 2nd place in the division after going 1-7, yet some people still post "this team sucks" after going down 2-0, lol.

Other team scores = flyers suck!
Flyers score = flyers are awesome!

Also the other night someone said they were 8-2 in their last 10 or somthing and others have to counter with, "but they've had bad periods".

Last time I checked no team plays perfect every minute of every game

I dunno how you can say that about grossman when he continually goes into a corner doing nothing but swatting blindly at the puck.
- FlyersSteve118

He holds clinics in the offseason called "how to fleece NHL GM's into thinking you're an NHL caliber defenseman"

I'm still happy. 2nd place in the division after going 1-7, yet some people still post "this team sucks" after going down 2-0, lol.

Other team scores = flyers suck!
Flyers score = flyers are awesome!
- funmaster18

The flyers are sucking when the other team scores though

Offense is not a problem with this team and unless you are getting a Corey Perry or Stamkos then I don't see a need for a pure sniper with G and Jake..

Having Downie in vs Rosehill changes what in the final outcome since 3 goals were horrible defensive breakdowns.

On the non-goal call you can clearly hear the far ref blow the whistle before the near ref signals it in. Tough break and I wish the far ref doesn't make that call.

It's imperative the Flyers have a goon on the roster every season. The fact they have been useless since the 70's is irrelevant to them.
- PLindbergh31

He's signed through next season

Offense is not a problem with this team and unless you are getting a Corey Perry or Stamkos then I don't see a need for a pure sniper with G and Jake..

Having Downie in vs Rosehill changes what in the final outcome since 3 goals were horrible defensive breakdowns.

On the non-goal call you can clearly hear the far ref blow the whistle before the near ref signals it in. Tough break and I wish the far ref doesn't make that call.
- opeth_pa

Stop making sense

Also the other night someone said they were 8-2 in their last 10 or somthing and others have to counter with, "but they've had bad periods".

Last time I checked no team plays perfect every minute of every game
- funmaster18

But their "bad periods" have been particularly terrible, you have to at least acknowledge that.

He's signed through next season
- ob18

It's annoying, but Rosehill is basically a benchwarmer unless there is an injury or illness, which is what everyone wanted. Now it's a problem he's still on the roster

Offense is not a problem with this team and unless you are getting a Corey Perry or Stamkos then I don't see a need for a pure sniper with G and Jake..

Having Downie in vs Rosehill changes what in the final outcome since 3 goals were horrible defensive breakdowns.

On the non-goal call you can clearly hear the far ref blow the whistle before the near ref signals it in. Tough break and I wish the far ref doesn't make that call.
- opeth_pa

All they need is the 30 goal scorer version of hartnell to show up. Imagine Matt moulson on that line though...

But their "bad periods" have been particularly terrible, you have to at least acknowledge that.
- hereticpride

The inconsistency is still a major hurdle that this team needs to get over.

But their "bad periods" have been particularly terrible, you have to at least acknowledge that.
- hereticpride

I completely agree. I was pointing out those who said they sucked and now that they are better do not acknowledge it and instead something else to criticize instead of admitting there is improvement

I completely agree. I was pointing out those who said they sucked and now that they are better do not acknowledge it and instead something else to criticize instead of admitting there is improvement
- funmaster18

There is an element of this fan base that unfortunately thinks that pretty much everything in this Organization is a problem. From the trainers, to the players, Coaches, GM, right up to the Owner. In every facet.

I disagree about Streit. He is not particularly mobile for such an undersized defenseman. He does have good anticipation on the offensive side of the puck, and has a quick stick. It's when he gets on the wrong side of the puck or in a muscle-on-muscle battle down low that he gets in trouble.

Grossmann, who has become everyone's favorite whipping boy since January after being previously regarded for 2+ years as one of their more reliable Dmen, is a better defender than Meszaros. I do agree that his confidence looks down at times but he had been playing better over the last 10 games til a rough game last night.

Voracek and Giroux have good chemistry and each can bury a decent percentage of their chances. Voracek used to be reluctant to shoot the puck and was a pass-first player for much of his early career. He's gotten through that, though, and is much more willing nowadays to pull the trigger.
- bmeltzer

If they end up keeping both Grossmann and Streit I would like to see that pairing broken up next year. It seems like that pairing brings out the weakness in both guys, rather then making them better.

Could be wrong, just my opinion obviously.

It's annoying, but Rosehill is basically a benchwarmer unless there is an injury or illness, which is what everyone wanted. Now it's a problem he's still on the roster


- funmaster18

Hopefully the rest of the NHL will do the same and than the crybaby stuff in nhl will go away.

There is an element of this fan base that unfortunately thinks that pretty much everything in this Organization is a problem. From the trainers, to the players, Coaches, GM, right up to the Owner. In every facet.
- MJL

I'm just glad the days of arguing over Shelly are over.

At the start of the first the Flyers were attacking right away and had some nice cycles. The forwards got in deep and led to those 2 early goals by the Leafs. TO is a pretty fast skating team and it led to some good chances. I don't think the ref blew it on the disallowed goal. Had that been called a goal against them with mason covering the puck I would have been furious.

Loved Kimmo's smile after that second goal he scored.
I would like to see him come back next year, realize it is a long shot.
- Marc D

He looked surprised. puck came right to him with no one really close to him but he seemed to be in a bit of an awkward position, got a weak backhander off (put it in a good spot) and seemed surprised it went in.

If they end up keeping both Grossmann and Streit I would like to see that pairing broken up next year. It seems like that pairing brings out the weakness in both guys, rather then making them better.

Could be wrong, just my opinion obviously.
- Marc D

I would like to see Kimmo back next year. He seems to have gotten better as the year goes on.

Streit would be better off paired with MacDonald since Mac is quite mobile, and Grossmann is... not.

LSchenn would be better off paired with Gus for the same reason.

It's annoying, but Rosehill is basically a benchwarmer unless there is an injury or illness, which is what everyone wanted. Now it's a problem he's still on the roster


- funmaster18

Agree with you.
Inexpensive 13th forward.
Don't think Rosehill being here next season will make it or break it.

BTW I heard a great interview with Jody Shelley on NHL radio this week.
I have much respect for him.

Over his career he has more then 500 stitches in his face, broken bones, etc. His pride at being part of a team, making his contribution, and joy of playing hockey was just beautiful. He is a great story teller and would be a great guy to have a few beers with and listen to for an evening.

Best one, he was lined up against Probert. He says "you wanna go" and immediately thinks, "did I just say that, can I take it back...oh crap". He says they ended up fighting three times that night.

Another good one is talking about coming into Philly to play on the other team. They just knew it would be a rough night.

There is an element of this fan base that unfortunately thinks that pretty much everything in this Organization is a problem. From the trainers, to the players, Coaches, GM, right up to the Owner. In every facet.
- MJL

I think there is 2 significant problems.

The defensive depth of the organize that they are currently trying to fix.

The defensive system they deploy. Sometimes the flyers get outnumbered in their zone and they cannot keep their man coverage and just seem to try to pay catch up to their man instead of switching to a zone system and reestablish their man coverage. But I'm not sure if this is the players or the coaches causing this.

I would like to see Kimmo back next year. He seems to have gotten better as the year goes on.

Streit would be better off paired with MacDonald since Mac is quite mobile, and Grossmann is... not.

LSchenn would be better off paired with Gus for the same reason.
- Feanor

I would be fine with that if there wasn't a better upgrade for the top pair to add. I really think that is the one move that is needed to get this team to where it needs to be. And in order to do that if it becomes available, I see a defenseman being moved. I think they're going to need a low cap hit players such as Gustafsson for the 3rd pair.

I think there is 2 significant problems.

The defensive depth of the organize that they are currently trying to fix.

The defensive system they deploy. Sometimes the flyers get outnumbered in their zone and they cannot keep their man coverage and just seem to try to pay catch up to their man instead of switching to a zone system and reestablish their man coverage. But I'm not sure if this is the players or the coaches causing this.
- FlyersSteve118

Nothing wrong with the actual system they play. It's the execution sometimes. I assure you that leaving two players down low on one defenseman around the net is not the system that they employ.

I think there are two seperate conversations to be had. One is what does this current team have to improve on. And what moves have to be made in the future. One is on the players. And the other is on team management.