I'm not sure 5m is as much of a sweetheart deal as you do. And being a pending UFA doesn't automatically lessen a player's value. Exhibit A is the returns for Miller and Luongo,,,2 relatively equal goalies.

Is Kesler a 50 point guy...or a 70 point guy going forward?
- djamon

Seems Mackenzie thinks its an amazing deal. He mentioned it as to why keslers value should be high

I pointed this out. I'm not sure why he posted that. My dog I'm sure can see the large differance between the 2. But this is HB
- Bieksa#3

Also, Kesler's NTC, and willingness to use it, hurts his value a ton.

Not a terrible comp...but Richards was 3 years younger and better offensively.
- djamon

And a far worse contract. The offense is comparable

No that's what we want. A top 6, a bluechip prospect(as brayden schenn was) and a pick. Not sure how 2 1sts and a decent prospect equal this
- Bieksa#3

LA and Vancouver are in two different situation Simmonds and schenn would equal two first decent prospect would be a second, would it not?

Also, Kesler's NTC, and willingness to use it, hurts his value a ton.
- djamon

Richards had one too

Your right in a way. My guess is what will happen is he won't be traded till the trade deadline just before he becomes a free agent. And we will get nothing probably a weak first and some mediocre prospect.
- pandabk

I think it's better to trade him at the draft then you don't want to lose him for nothing unless they are close to signing a extension of course.

Seems Mackenzie thinks its an amazing deal. He mentioned it as to why keslers value should be high
- Bieksa#3

I guess that settles it then? lol

Richards had one too
- Bieksa#3

Actually it hadn't kicked in yet. Does Kesler's have a loophole too?

LA and Vancouver are in two different situation Simmonds and schenn would equal two first decent prospect would be a second, would it not?
- Yeti1181

I highly doubt Philly would do Simmonds and schenn for kesler now. If Gillis got that return faith would be restored

I highly doubt Philly would do Simmonds and schenn for kesler now. If Gillis got that return faith would be restored
- pandabk

I'm surprised they traded schenn cause he seemed to be untouchable and Simmonds wasn't what he is now so hard to say.

I think it's better to trade him at the draft then you don't want to lose him for nothing unless they are close to signing a extension of course.
- Yeti1181

I would prefer that also but this team has had this mentality that they think oh well something better will come along no need to rush to do anything now. We're always a step behind it seems

LA and Vancouver are in two different situation Simmonds and schenn would equal two first decent prospect would be a second, would it not?
- Yeti1181

It was Simmons, Schenn and a 2nd.

And no. Schenn was a top 5 prospect and consider one of the best prospects in the league. Simmons was a gritty top 6. Basically your comparing Etem to Schenn which as much as I like Etem is laughable.
Lets say Minny

Granlund, Dumba and 1st/2nd

Tampa

Droulin, Johnson 2nd

Philly

Coutourier, Laughton 2nd

These are comparable to the mike Richards return

I guess that settles it then? lol
- djamon

I think his yrs of unbiased comments and insight along with his inside info probably make his a better judge of value then any of us on this site. No?

I highly doubt Philly would do Simmonds and schenn for kesler now. If Gillis got that return faith would be restored
- pandabk

Clearly he wouldn't because those players have no developed

It was Simmons, Schenn and a 2nd.

And no. Schenn was a top 5 prospect and consider one of the best prospects in the league. Simmons was a gritty top 6. Basically your comparing Etem to Schenn which as much as I like Etem is laughable.
Lets say Minny

Granlund, Dumba and 1st/2nd

Tampa

Droulin, Johnson 2nd

Philly

Coutourier, Laughton 2nd

These are comparable to the mike Richards return
- Bieksa#3

The minny deal is a possibility I don't think the other two would go. Philly would have done it at the deadline if they were serious contenders but not now. Tampa no way they give up drouin.

I highly doubt Philly would do Simmonds and schenn for kesler now. If Gillis got that return faith would be restored
- pandabk

No need to trade Kesler for him . Offer sheet Schenn for 7 mil and Flyers are hooped. Flyers like giving out offer sheets (Weber Kesler ) pay back.

No need to trade Kesler for him . Offer sheet Schenn for 7 mil and Flyers are hooped. Flyers like giving out offer sheets (Weber Kesler ) pay back.
- VANTEL

It would be nice if our team did make bold moves like that. Gillis doesn't have it in him who can we bring in that would?

It was Simmons, Schenn and a 2nd.

And no. Schenn was a top 5 prospect and consider one of the best prospects in the league. Simmons was a gritty top 6. Basically your comparing Etem to Schenn which as much as I like Etem is laughable.
Lets say Minny

Granlund, Dumba and 1st/2nd

Tampa

Droulin, Johnson 2nd

Philly

Coutourier, Laughton 2nd

These are comparable to the mike Richards return
- Bieksa#3

Sorry to say but there is no way you would even get Drouin straight up for Kesler. Not that he's not worth much, but Drouin has the benefit of being an elite prospect AND an affordable contract. To a team like Tampa that's worth so much more, especially when they're already staying reasonably competitive without him.

It would be nice if our team did make bold moves like that. Gillis doesn't have it in him who can we bring in that would?
- pandabk

He has made an offer sheet before with Backes ,why not do it again to Schenn . Compensation is two firsts and a second and third.

Offer 7.5 x7 years.

No need to trade Kesler for him . Offer sheet Schenn for 7 mil and Flyers are hooped. Flyers like giving out offer sheets (Weber Kesler ) pay back.
- VANTEL

You might screw yourselves if you end up paying schenn 7 million.

Sorry to say but there is no way you would even get Drouin straight up for Kesler. Not that he's not worth much, but Drouin has the benefit of being an elite prospect AND an affordable contract. To a team like Tampa that's worth so much more, especially when they're already staying reasonably competitive without him.
- lumlums

Drouin sucks.

The minny deal is a possibility I don't think the other two would go. Philly would have done it at the deadline if they were serious contenders but not now. Tampa no way they give up drouin.
- Yeti1181

But that is a comparable package.

As I said the canucks need a deal like this to even consider dealing kesler.

My of season. (Feel free to argue with my moves)

Edler to Washington for Marcus Johansson
Hansen to Winnipeg for 2nd and 3rd
Sign moulson 4 yrs 20 mill
Grabovski 3 yrs 12 mill
Tanev 5 yrs 15 mill
Elliot 2 yrs 5 mill
Buy out Booth

Sedins Kesler
Moulson Johannson Higgins
Jensen/Santorelli Mathias Burrows

It was Simmons, Schenn and a 2nd.

And no. Schenn was a top 5 prospect and consider one of the best prospects in the league. Simmons was a gritty top 6. Basically your comparing Etem to Schenn which as much as I like Etem is laughable.
Lets say Minny

Granlund, Dumba and 1st/2nd

Tampa

Droulin, Johnson 2nd

Philly

Coutourier, Laughton 2nd

These are comparable to the mike Richards return
- Bieksa#3

You'll get what you get. I don't think Richards is a terrible comparison...he was a better player at the time of the trade, IMO...but his contract was onerous to say the least. It's gonna take a GM with balls (like Lombardi and Holmgren) and Kesler actually wanting to go there. I thought Columbus was a great fit, but he vetoed it.

You might screw yourselves if you end up paying schenn 7 million.
- Yeti1181

Or we could pay Gaborik Healy 7. 5 mil

I think his yrs of unbiased comments and insight along with his inside info probably make his a better judge of value then any of us on this site. No?
- Bieksa#3

Of course it does...but he was wrong A LOT when Franson and Kadri were holding out.