This will be true as long as our captain still gets playing time. I'd rather see Ken Daneyko suit up again than Sal at this point.
- rmdevil313

I'm just trying to look at the Larsson situation in a positive way. Hopefully this time in Albany does him wonders even if he maybe deserves to be up here. Defense I think need to play as much as you can play them from 18-23 the kid is only 21 I just pray we don't ruin him cause I know with the stubbornness of management it will be a long time till we get a prospect of his caliber again. They would rather finish with the ten over all pick every year then get one top five guy once.

I'm just trying to look at the Larsson situation in a positive way. Hopefully this time in Albany does him wonders even if he maybe deserves to be up here. Defense I think need to play as much as you can play them from 18-23 the kid is only 21 I just pray we don't ruin him cause I know with the stubbornness of management it will be a long time till we get a prospect of his caliber again. They would rather finish with the ten over all pick every year then get one top five guy once.
- blizzzard

Trade him for yakupov

Trade him for yakupov
- shvingter88

Pietrangelo was sent down numerous times and back to junior and he is now a stud I like yakapovs skill level but not his compete and everything else we need to trade him for some one who can score at a similar pace but be more complete and reliable

Pietrangelo was sent down numerous times and back to junior and he is now a stud I like yakapovs skill level but not his compete and everything else we need to trade him for some one who can score at a similar pace but be more complete and reliable
- blizzzard

I hear what your saying about YAK but he does have the potential to score at a ridiculous pace if he reaches it. Will he ever? No idea and It be a big risk to take on a guy who could become an enigma.

SO.....anyone still think it's the goalies?!

Sad to see so many NJ fans rip on Cory.

He's been a top 10 goalie all season with a poopty roster around him , the kid finally has a bad week and he's suddenly "a career backup"?!

I didn't hear anyone complain when Cory went 8 games with 2 or fewer goals against, but the team still couldn't muster goals. Anyone want to guess what his goal support is, even with NJ's sudden offensive outburst? You can find out below. NJ has scored 14 goals for Cory in his last 4 starts. His goal support is still abysmal despite NJ averaging 3.50 goals scored in that time frame.

They're essentially at a 50/50 split right now. Let's let statistics shed light on some of your own biased opinions regarding Cory & Marty.

Here's where they stand:

GOALIE A:
35 games started
895 SA, 819 SV, 76 Goals Against
.915 SV%
3 SO
2.12 GAA
71 goals for/35 games = 2.03 goal support avg
12-14-9 = 12 wins (33 points)

GOALIE B:
33 games started
830 SA, 748 SV, 82 goals against
.901 SV%
3 SO
2.50 GAA
98 goals for/33 games = 2.97 goal support avg
17-12-4 = 17 wins (38 points)


Fact is, many NJ fans have been spoiled for a long time with the pleasure of watching Marty in net. The franchise has experienced a lot of success since he took over between the pipes. But they also had some excellent teams around him, some HOFers. People forget even a couple years ago they had Parise & Kovalchuk on their Cup run in 2012.

This team, this roster, is HORRIBLE. One giant dumpster dive. I'm not going to condemn nor praise Lou, but that's what this roster is.

NJ would be very lucky to have Cory in net, provided they can assemble a legit team around him in the coming years, and not this hodgepodge of garbage.

For his own good, I hope Cory runs far away when he hits UFA. Most likely by then Marty will retire. Let Wedgewood and/or Kinkaid come in. Or Clermont. I think NJ fans will get a nice reality check.

Wedgewood is 21, yet he's the future of the Devils despite average play to this point in his career in Albany/Plymouth (yet Lou gave up a 1st round pick for possibly 2 years of Schneider, hardly a wise investment assuming Wedgewood is the next real deal and you could've used that pick to get a FW who may be able to play the same time as Wedgewood & add a much needed prospect at a position that addresses a severe organizational weakness).

However, Larsson who is also 21, should be traded since he is the worst draft pick in recent NJ Devils history despite the common knowledge that defensemen take time to develop & mature as players.

Sounds legit.

Honestly, there's a large portion of NJ Devils fans that are an embarrassment to the rest of the intelligent fan base. (Fortunately, I've found more intelligent fans here of all places. If you want a good laugh go to the Devils Crazies FB page or Fire & Ice.)

Both goalies have had excellent seasons. Cory because he simply put HAS had a good season. And Marty has had a good season as well considering he's soon to be 42 years old. Sometimes you don't know what you have until it's gone. We very well could learn what that means regarding both goalies in a short amount of time.

Well if we're going with the youth movement next year on defense then expect a lot of mistakes from the young uns' and lots of goals against.

Granted our defense is not the best and doesn't do much to help out our goalies but Cory hasn't looked right since the break. And every time he handles the puck it i hold my breathe that he doesn't shoot it into our own net.
I still think we'd be better with Marty the rest of the year, Cory could learn a lot by sitting and watching.
Either way we're screwed because the defense sucks.

Well if we're going with the youth movement next year on defense then expect a lot of mistakes from the young uns' and lots of goals against.

Granted our defense is not the best and doesn't do much to help out our goalies but Cory hasn't looked right since the break. And every time he handles the puck it i hold my breathe that he doesn't shoot it into our own net.
I still think we'd be better with Marty the rest of the year, Cory could learn a lot by sitting and watching.
Either way we're screwed because the defense sucks.
- FAZOOL

Cory could learn a lot from sitting and watching did I just read that? He is miles better now fact is management and coaching has done a great job of picking when to put Marty in to make it look like he is a lot closer to Cory then he actually is. Let's look at it this way Cory gets less games for the majority of the lesson despite playing much better buy Marty kept getting games and what games did he get well to start the year he got both Calgary and Edmonton and played like poopand was solely the reason we lost those four points I think someone posted all the teams each team played and it was arguable who got the tougher starts buy think about this even when Marty plays tougher teams its usually after a loss that Cory received teams usually bounce back after they lose Marty always gets the team when they show up because they usually have lost the previous game. I would be if Cory got 70% of the starts this season and and Marty got 30% that no one would want to see Marty in the net Cory hasn't been treated the way he deserved to be from day one. Every other starter in the league gets to fight through his losses and I bet there isn't a starting goalie who doesn't have an impressive record coming off a loss not only because he wants to redeem himself bit because generally the entire team plays harder after a loss. Pete does a hell of a job of making people think the guys with the real skill aren't as good as other players he does the exact same with belly always on the second unit starting in our zone on a broken play and if he does get on the first unit Pete puyd the second forward unit with him or puts him out with 15-30 seconds remaining on the pop and says well we give him pop time and he doesn't take advantage of it its called setting players up to fail and Pete is likely the best in the game at this

I'm just trying to look at the Larsson situation in a positive way. Hopefully this time in Albany does him wonders even if he maybe deserves to be up here. Defense I think need to play as much as you can play them from 18-23 the kid is only 21 I just pray we don't ruin him cause I know with the stubbornness of management it will be a long time till we get a prospect of his caliber again. They would rather finish with the ten over all pick every year then get one top five guy once.
- blizzzard

Sometimes I forget that Larsson is sill with the Devils, in my mind he's already been traded.

SO.....anyone still think it's the goalies?!

Sad to see so many NJ fans rip on Cory.

He's been a top 10 goalie all season with a poopty roster around him , the kid finally has a bad week and he's suddenly "a career backup"?!

I didn't hear anyone complain when Cory went 8 games with 2 or fewer goals against, but the team still couldn't muster goals. Anyone want to guess what his goal support is, even with NJ's sudden offensive outburst? You can find out below. NJ has scored 14 goals for Cory in his last 4 starts. His goal support is still abysmal despite NJ averaging 3.50 goals scored in that time frame.

They're essentially at a 50/50 split right now. Let's let statistics shed light on some of your own biased opinions regarding Cory & Marty.

Here's where they stand:

GOALIE A:
35 games started
895 SA, 819 SV, 76 Goals Against
.915 SV%
3 SO
2.12 GAA
71 goals for/35 games = 2.03 goal support avg
12-14-9 = 12 wins (33 points)

GOALIE B:
33 games started
830 SA, 748 SV, 82 goals against
.901 SV%
3 SO
2.50 GAA
98 goals for/33 games = 2.97 goal support avg
17-12-4 = 17 wins (38 points)


Fact is, many NJ fans have been spoiled for a long time with the pleasure of watching Marty in net. The franchise has experienced a lot of success since he took over between the pipes. But they also had some excellent teams around him, some HOFers. People forget even a couple years ago they had Parise & Kovalchuk on their Cup run in 2012.

This team, this roster, is HORRIBLE. One giant dumpster dive. I'm not going to condemn nor praise Lou, but that's what this roster is.

NJ would be very lucky to have Cory in net, provided they can assemble a legit team around him in the coming years, and not this hodgepodge of garbage.

For his own good, I hope Cory runs far away when he hits UFA. Most likely by then Marty will retire. Let Wedgewood and/or Kinkaid come in. Or Clermont. I think NJ fans will get a nice reality check.

Wedgewood is 21, yet he's the future of the Devils despite average play to this point in his career in Albany/Plymouth (yet Lou gave up a 1st round pick for possibly 2 years of Schneider, hardly a wise investment assuming Wedgewood is the next real deal and you could've used that pick to get a FW who may be able to play the same time as Wedgewood & add a much needed prospect at a position that addresses a severe organizational weakness).

However, Larsson who is also 21, should be traded since he is the worst draft pick in recent NJ Devils history despite the common knowledge that defensemen take time to develop & mature as players.

Sounds legit.

Honestly, there's a large portion of NJ Devils fans that are an embarrassment to the rest of the intelligent fan base. (Fortunately, I've found more intelligent fans here of all places. If you want a good laugh go to the Devils Crazies FB page or Fire & Ice.)

Both goalies have had excellent seasons. Cory because he simply put HAS had a good season. And Marty has had a good season as well considering he's soon to be 42 years old. Sometimes you don't know what you have until it's gone. We very well could learn what that means regarding both goalies in a short amount of time.
- FLdevilsFAN

The same argument used by the Marty supporters could be used to say CamJam should play over Elias. I'd hope the marty supporters are at least consistent with their arguments...

Well if we're going with the youth movement next year on defense then expect a lot of mistakes from the young uns' and lots of goals against.

Granted our defense is not the best and doesn't do much to help out our goalies but Cory hasn't looked right since the break. And every time he handles the puck it i hold my breathe that he doesn't shoot it into our own net.
I still think we'd be better with Marty the rest of the year, Cory could learn a lot by sitting and watching.
Either way we're screwed because the defense sucks.
- FAZOOL

God forbid a goalie has a so-so game, especially considering the defense has done a better job setting up the other teams chances than preventing them.

Sometimes I forget that Larsson is sill with the Devils, in my mind he's already been traded.
- rmdevil313

I know right I am trying to look at it positively. Its weird though what is wrong with being crap for 2-5 years if it means being great for 20. I swear Lou would rather miss the play offs by one point for ten straight years then get to draft two or three top five picks. I am not saying either is wrong but I would hate to be Calgary always thinking you are one piece away when we are multiple pieces away. I think what an above poster is true though this is a crap roster and although they show flashes of greatness they still suck and is likely more to do with everything going right for us that night than it is the talent level of the current roster. Every body looks at patty and still sees a ppg player but I think he is more of a 50-60 point guy who plays very safe and smart won't make any mistakes but just isn't what he was and of course that comes with age. When I think about this team I see 2-3 60 pt guys and a slew of 15-40 point players and with no number 1 defense man its just to hard to over come that lack of real offensive scoring ability. I think all of us view almost everyone as a better player then they actually are minus jagr. There seems to be no shortage of determination but the team severally lacks NHL skill. Yea all the young kids have a ton of talent and potential buy they are far to inexperienced to be included into the mix I listed we still don't know what we have in these guys. I am really hoping for some serious directional changes cone draft day we can't keep sal in the line up just because he is a good guy this league is all about what have you done for me lately and since the cup run a majority or guys have done (frank) all but still hold done spots. In the cap era you need to be able to rely on your young and affordable players and not sub them out for a guy who has all the experience in the world buy can't use it cause the game has past them by. Yea you needs vets for the young kids to watch and learn from or you end up like Edmonton but they have to be guys who set examples on the ice how is a kid supposed to sit there and watch sal play when all they will pick up is how to (frank) something up or how to be to slow or how not have a clue how to make a pass. It amazes me that at this level guys can have cement hands ( every team has a guy ) but its like shaq not being able to make a free throw how the hell can a defense man in the NHL not make a tape to tape pass is beyond me.

I know right I am trying to look at it positively. Its weird though what is wrong with being crap for 2-5 years if it means being great for 20. I swear Lou would rather miss the play offs by one point for ten straight years then get to draft two or three top five picks. I am not saying either is wrong but I would hate to be Calgary always thinking you are one piece away when we are multiple pieces away. I think what an above poster is true though this is a crap roster and although they show flashes of greatness they still suck and is likely more to do with everything going right for us that night than it is the talent level of the current roster. Every body looks at patty and still sees a ppg player but I think he is more of a 50-60 point guy who plays very safe and smart won't make any mistakes but just isn't what he was and of course that comes with age. When I think about this team I see 2-3 60 pt guys and a slew of 15-40 point players and with no number 1 defense man its just to hard to over come that lack of real offensive scoring ability. I think all of us view almost everyone as a better player then they actually are minus jagr. There seems to be no shortage of determination but the team severally lacks NHL skill. Yea all the young kids have a ton of talent and potential buy they are far to inexperienced to be included into the mix I listed we still don't know what we have in these guys. I am really hoping for some serious directional changes cone draft day we can't keep sal in the line up just because he is a good guy this league is all about what have you done for me lately and since the cup run a majority or guys have done (frank) all but still hold done spots. In the cap era you need to be able to rely on your young and affordable players and not sub them out for a guy who has all the experience in the world buy can't use it cause the game has past them by. Yea you needs vets for the young kids to watch and learn from or you end up like Edmonton but they have to be guys who set examples on the ice how is a kid supposed to sit there and watch sal play when all they will pick up is how to (frank) something up or how to be to slow or how not have a clue how to make a pass. It amazes me that at this level guys can have cement hands ( every team has a guy ) but its like shaq not being able to make a free throw how the hell can a defense man in the NHL not make a tape to tape pass is beyond me.
- blizzzard

Only problem with that is you really don't decide how long you are crap for. Once the attitude that its ok to lose spreads through the organization its really hard to break.

how the hell can a defense man in the NHL not make a tape to tape pass is beyond me.
- blizzzard

Bad ice every night?!

But the thing that gets me about this team as well as past Devils teams is the number of times we shoot wide at the net. Too many times shots from the point sail five feet from the net. Too many times shots from guys right in front of the goalie sail five feet from the net. You're not going to get many chances unless the shot is on goal.

Marty back in net again on Tuesday, once again its ok for him to lose but not Corey.

Marty back in net again on Tuesday, once again its ok for him to lose but not Corey.
- rmdevil313

Trade him to the islanders for their first this year they can give the sabres their 2015 one because it should be a lot higher although I don't know why that would matter after they traded their first the year before to us but this is Garth snow so you never know. I also wonder if Edmonton would move their top three pick for him and roll with him and fasth

So I read that the Devils are putting a new STH limit on the number of games that they re-sell, and if they sell over 50% of their tickets they will not be able to purchase season tickets the following year and possibly have ticket barcodes deactivated.

Seems like that shouldn't be something that the Devils could/should do. They promote NHL Ticket Exchange on their own website. I mean, the tickets are already sold. Don't think that they should be able to limit re-sales since they are paid for. But it is the Devils and they seem to get away with things..........

So I read that the Devils are putting a new STH limit on the number of games that they re-sell, and if they sell over 50% of their tickets they will not be able to purchase season tickets the following year and possibly have ticket barcodes deactivated.

Seems like that shouldn't be something that the Devils could/should do. They promote NHL Ticket Exchange on their own website. I mean, the tickets are already sold. Don't think that they should be able to limit re-sales since they are paid for. But it is the Devils and they seem to get away with things..........
- carcus

Meh

Trade him to the islanders for their first this year they can give the sabres their 2015 one because it should be a lot higher although I don't know why that would matter after they traded their first the year before to us but this is Garth snow so you never know. I also wonder if Edmonton would move their top three pick for him and roll with him and fasth
- blizzzard

Edmonton traded for Fasth and locked up Scrivens for a few years, don't think they would trade for a goalie. Also doubt we would get a higher pick than we received. Best options would probably be the islanders, jets, and the caps. Hell maybe Vancouver could use him now

Edmonton traded for Fasth and locked up Scrivens for a few years, don't think they would trade for a goalie. Also doubt we would get a higher pick than we received. Best options would probably be the islanders, jets, and the caps. Hell maybe Vancouver could use him now
- rmdevil313

Last years draft was pretty damn good I don't think reinhart or ekblad are on the levels MacKinnon and Jones where

Last years draft was pretty damn good I don't think reinhart or ekblad are on the levels MacKinnon and Jones where
- blizzzard

That's true but Schneider will only have a year left on his deal. Gotta be certain that you can sign him if you give up a top5 pick but I wouldn't be against a sign and trade.

That's true but Schneider will only have a year left on his deal. Gotta be certain that you can sign him if you give up a top5 pick but I wouldn't be against a sign and trade.
- rmdevil313

Hey I would love to have a franchise caliber center I would be willing to try having one and sacrifice having so so goaltending lol

Hey I would love to have a franchise caliber center I would be willing to try having one and sacrifice having so so goaltending lol
- blizzzard

It seems like whatever happens it will be one step forward and two steps back with this Schneider move.

It seems like whatever happens it will be one step forward and two steps back with this Schneider move.
- rmdevil313

No doubt

It seems like whatever happens it will be one step forward and two steps back with this Schneider move.
- rmdevil313

What I don't understand is last years draft. We could of drafted Fucale in the second round if we traded for a 2nd pick a little higher. I know he wouldn't be ready for years, but man they could of had him and a FW from the first. Then just sign veteran goalies for a couple years or trade for one like Scrivens/Bishop/Halak for nothing.

What I don't understand is last years draft. We could of drafted Fucale in the second round if we traded for a 2nd pick a little higher. I know he wouldn't be ready for years, but man they could of had him and a FW from the first. Then just sign veteran goalies for a couple years or trade for one like Scrivens/Bishop/Halak for nothing.
- Devils9503

There was no way of knowing that Fucale would be there and goalies are probably the riskiest pick of any position. I could see why Lou wanted someone with more experience. The problem is that the organization wasn't ready to break up with Marty. The move said that we were moving in a different direction, but the actions of Lou and Pete since then say otherwise.