Old Fraude? He sucks. He had a bad 15 games and you know he's not worthy of the C or the contract they gave him
- Jsaquella

The contract was clearly a mistake, egg on face! Hahahaha

Yeah, he just has 15 more points than anybody else in the NHL
- Jsaquella

Didn't you know? The only games that matter are the ones he loses. Stats during wins are insignificant.

Kunitz out, Fleury in goal for the Pens, per the team's twitter feed

Holy cow just watched the highlights from last nights Sens/Habs. Talk about home-ice officiating, AKA 'typical Montreal'.
- Pixote Andolini

That game was crazy.

Kunitz out, Fleury in goal for the Pens, per the team's twitter feed
- Jsaquella

Let's Go Flyers!

And stay out of the f'n box!

Went to SeaWorld, Flyers kill Penguins while I freeze taking my son to look at the Penguin exhibit.

Today, I stay home and swim... Bad omen for Flyers?

Kunitz out, Fleury in goal for the Pens, per the team's twitter feed
- Jsaquella

If the Pens would play their backup, it would be a sure fire win.

Yeah, he just has 15 more points than anybody else in the NHL
- Jsaquella

Does he have defensive issues? He has 15 more points than any other player in the league, on a great goal differential team, and he still barely cracks the top 120 in +/-

Kunitz out, Fleury in goal for the Pens, per the team's twitter feed
- Jsaquella

play it again sam

Went to SeaWorld, Flyers kill Penguins while I freeze taking my son to look at the Penguin exhibit.

Today, I stay home and swim... Bad omen for Flyers?


- Flyersgod

Speaking of Sea World check out the documentary Blackfish.

Does he have defensive issues? He has 15 more points than any other player in the league, on a great goal differential team, and he still barely cracks the top 120 in +/-
- JAKEw1234

So, because he's rather pedestrian in terms of a highly flawed stat, the fact that he's running away with the scoring race doesn't matter?

Oh and BTW, in terms of 5 on 5 goals, the Pens as a team are a +8.

So, because he's rather pedestrian in terms of a highly flawed stat, the fact that he's running away with the scoring race doesn't matter?

Oh and BTW, in terms of 5 on 5 goals, the Pens as a team are a +8.
- Jsaquella

10 goals and 22 assists on the pp that i dont believe count toward +/-.

So, because he's rather pedestrian in terms of a highly flawed stat, the fact that he's running away with the scoring race doesn't matter?

Oh and BTW, in terms of 5 on 5 goals, the Pens as a team are a +8.
- Jsaquella

I don't think he was getting at that. I think he was just starting some convo..

Speaking of Sea World check out the documentary Blackfish.
- Pixote Andolini

uh oh debbie downer

Speaking of Sea World check out the documentary Blackfish.
- Pixote Andolini

Not good...but then again, who ever thought keeping Killer Whales in a swimming pool was smart?

Speaking of Sea World check out the documentary Blackfish.
- Pixote Andolini

Why?

The trainers in the film already came out and said they were misrepresented.

Why?

The trainers in the film already came out and said they were misrepresented.
- Flyersgod

Where did you see/hear that? It's not like it was a news article, they were speaking on film.

uh oh debbie downer
- -davies-

You have to miss the game and go to work today just like yesterday, right? I mean, don't mess with the mojo!

So, because he's rather pedestrian in terms of a highly flawed stat, the fact that he's running away with the scoring race doesn't matter?
- Jsaquella

Soooo when did I say the scoring race doesn't matter? I've heard he has defensive issues, and despite being a flawed stat, his +/- seems to support that. Ovechkin's defensive deficiencies clearly show in his stats, as he leads the league in goals, and is a top 5 scorer, but has the fourth worst +/- in the league. Crosby isn't close to that bad, but when you score so much on such a good goal differential team, and when the players you play with most (Kunitz, Maata) are tops in the league in +/-, you'd think his +/- would be better.

Edit: and ya, maybe his numbers leaning so heavily on the PP have a strong effect on it.

10 goals and 22 assists on the pp that i dont believe count toward +/-.
- Briere

Yep. +/- ignores power play production. Let's say Claude Giroux scores 2 PPGs and 3 PPAs in one game, but is on the ice for 1 even strength goal against.

He's a -1 on the day.

Crosby is +7. The Penguins goal differential, overall, is +43. But their 5 on 5 goal differential is only +8. Add in 4 on 4 and it climbs only slightly to +12.

So a guy who is +7 on a team that is a +12 is hardly a subpar defensive player.

The next thing to take into account is that short handed goals count towards a player's +/-. The Pens have given up 5 SHG and scored just 1. So that brings their overall +12 as a team down to +8, which is 1 higher than Crosby's personal +7.

Where did you see/hear that? It's not like it was a news article, they were speaking on film.
- wolfhounds

Oh.. if it's in a movie it must be true then.

Never seen the movie. Don't care to see the movie. Don't get the big deal.

You have to miss the game and go to work today just like yesterday, right? I mean, don't mess with the mojo!
- wolfhounds

but i don't want to work today do i have to

Oh.. if it's in a movie it must be true then.

Never seen the movie. Don't care to see the movie. Don't get the big deal.
- Flyersgod

Way to not answer the question.

Soooo when did I say the scoring race doesn't matter? I've heard he has defensive issues, and despite being a flawed stat, his +/- seems to support that. Ovechkin's defensive deficiencies clearly show in his stats, as he leads the league in goals, and is a top 5 scorer, but has the fourth worst +/- in the league. Crosby isn't close to that bad, but when you score so much on such a good goal differential team, and when the players you play with most (Kunitz, Maata) are tops in the league in +/-, you'd think his +/- would be better.
- JAKEw1234

Because +/- doesn't really indicate defensive play for individuals at all.

The Penguins are the top powerplay team in the NHL. Those goals don't count towards Crosby's +/- totals, and are a significant part of the goal differential.

At even strength, the Penguins goal differential is only +12. When you factor in short handed goals for and against, they are only +8.

As for the difference between Crosby and Kunitz & Maatta in +/-, Crosby plays more minutes on the PP than both, which affects his +/- negatively. It's not as simple as just looking at +/- totals.