Corey for Kesler?
- rmdevil313

Thanks for the offer but we'll just sign him when he hits free agency.

Thanks for the offer but we'll just sign him when he hits free agency.
- Nucker101

Damn.

I feel bad for you guys
- Nucker101

probably still believes in Santa Claus

One guy isn't going to fix the mess this team is in.

EDIT - also, in 2007, Ryan McDonagh at 12th, Kevin Shattinkirk at 14th, Max Pacioretty at 22nd. Se where I'm going with this...
- 1970vintage

What does drafting matter when the Canucks have one of the worst scouting teams in all of Pro Hockey? Patrick White???? How many Canucks picks have actually panned out???

What does drafting matter when the Canucks have one of the worst scouting teams in all of Pro Hockey? Patrick White???? How many Canucks picks have actually panned out???
- rugdnit

That should change for the better now that they control their own farm team!

That should change for the better now that they control their own farm team!
- SMP8719

Would hope so, but the lack of planning or failure to plan is just disgusting. When this club needed it most... The cupboards were dry. Pi$$ poor MGT.

Pitts won the cup with there many top picks (Letang, Malkin, Fluery, Crosby, etc.)

Quebec...did win, but as the Avalanche.

And Ottawa, i got nothing.
- moondawg

Yes the Pens won with their many picks, but not while they were in the midst of selecting in the top three? Not sure what you're getting at? Plus they got two generational players in Crosby and Malkin, the Oiler haven't had such luck.

Pittsburghs first top five pick was in 2002, then 2003, 2004, 2005 and finally 2006. So it took six years from drafting Malkin to win a Cup, even after they picked Crosby they still drafted 2nd last the next year.

Quebec picked 3rd overall in 1988, 1st overall in 1989/90/91, and finally 4th overall in 1992. So it took eight years from the first time they picked top three.

Not defending the Oilers, just stating facts, realistically they picked their first top three pick in 2010. Not having picked any generational players I'd say judge them in about five years to see if it actually paid off.

Anyone think that we may move up like I think it was New Jersey that went from 9th pick to 4th from the lottery draw?

Anyone think that we may move up like I think it was New Jersey that went from 9th pick to 4th from the lottery draw?
- pker2theend

That was in the old CBA where you can only move up 5 spots. The new CBA has all teams not making playoffs has a chance to win 1st overall. The weight varies based on where you finish the season but all teams has a chance. We probably have a Dumb and dumber type of chance. But there is a chance.

Yes the Pens won with their many picks, but not while they were in the midst of selecting in the top three? Not sure what you're getting at? Plus they got two generational players in Crosby and Malkin, the Oiler haven't had such luck.

Pittsburghs first top five pick was in 2002, then 2003, 2004, 2005 and finally 2006. So it took six years from drafting Malkin to win a Cup, even after they picked Crosby they still drafted 2nd last the next year.

Quebec picked 3rd overall in 1988, 1st overall in 1989/90/91, and finally 4th overall in 1992. So it took eight years from the first time they picked top three.

Not defending the Oilers, just stating facts, realistically they picked their first top three pick in 2010. Not having picked any generational players I'd say judge them in about five years to see if it actually paid off.
- LeftCoaster

5 yrs from 2010 or 5 yrs from now? 5yrs from 2010 is next year. All those 1st rounders will be out of their ELCs and will lose the benefit of the ELCs.

5 yrs from 2010 or 5 yrs from now? 5yrs from 2010 is next year. All those 1st rounders will be out of their ELCs and will lose the benefit of the ELCs.
- A_SteamingLombardi

From now, what I was getting at is it took Quebec/Colorado a total of 8 years from the time they had their first top pick.

Ottawa as well, they picked top three from 1992 to 1996, by 1999 they had a 100+ point season and won the Presidents Trophy by 2003. Followed by a trip to the finals in 2007 I think it was?

That was in the old CBA where you can only move up 5 spots. The new CBA has all teams not making playoffs has a chance to win 1st overall. The weight varies based on where you finish the season but all teams has a chance. We probably have a Dumb and dumber type of chance. But there is a chance.
- Linden_4_Capt

I really don't understand rewarding teams for being absolute failures in a salary cap system. It makes sense when your a budget team that you need cheap youth to have a chance to win but in a salary cap world that should be heavily alleviated.

Why do they persist in rewarding failure? The teams that do not make the playoffs should go into a lottery to figure out the selection. The worst teams should get a slight advantage but not much of one. It would completely remove the benefits of tanking. Would force teams to always try and win.

or if they Sedins would have re-signed at all... (waits for Vantel to chime in...)
- Chest Rockwell

Just needed Henrik for 3 years

I really don't understand rewarding teams for being absolute failures in a salary cap system. It makes sense when your a budget team that you need cheap youth to have a chance to win but in a salary cap world that should be heavily alleviated.

Why do they persist in rewarding failure? The teams that do not make the playoffs should go into a lottery to figure out the selection. The worst teams should get a slight advantage but not much of one. It would completely remove the benefits of tanking. Would force teams to always try and win.
- 89_hockey

Ummm - that's what they do now??? Or am I not understanding what you're saying? Every non playoff team can pick first now, although the odds are still very very highly in favour of the top three teams.

I feel him near. I have sworn off chocolate until he communicates with us again.
- Marwood

#freefosco

#freefosco
- VANTEL

He can't stand you #tanknation guys

I really don't understand rewarding teams for being absolute failures in a salary cap system. It makes sense when your a budget team that you need cheap youth to have a chance to win but in a salary cap world that should be heavily alleviated.

Why do they persist in rewarding failure? The teams that do not make the playoffs should go into a lottery to figure out the selection. The worst teams should get a slight advantage but not much of one. It would completely remove the benefits of tanking. Would force teams to always try and win.
- 89_hockey

IMO there should be no weighting whatsoever in the lottery. #TankNation is just more proof of that. We're cheering against extra points in shootouts FFS

Rewarding failure is horsesh!t.

If they beat the odds and make it, Im going streaking.
- Gullzy

How 1980 s

IMO there should be no weighting whatsoever in the lottery. #TankNation is just more proof of that. We're cheering against extra points in shootouts FFS

Rewarding failure is horsesh!t.
- DrChristianTroy

Isn't that what every professional sport does? If they had a lottery draft for every team then teams would not be tanking. The leagues provide the incentive for tanking.

What does drafting matter when the Canucks have one of the worst scouting teams in all of Pro Hockey? Patrick White???? How many Canucks picks have actually panned out???
- rugdnit

Stop living in the past, White is ancient history. Has drafting been better lately? Maybe that trend will continue.

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- Carol Schram

Uhm - go Canucks? Beat TB.

Stop living in the past, White is ancient history. Has drafting been better lately? Maybe that trend will continue.
- 1970vintage

Drafting has been decent . The player development is more of a concern to me.

He can't stand you #tanknation guys
- LeftCoaster

It's a joke ,just having fun.

Yes the Pens won with their many picks, but not while they were in the midst of selecting in the top three? Not sure what you're getting at? Plus they got two generational players in Crosby and Malkin, the Oiler haven't had such luck.

Pittsburghs first top five pick was in 2002, then 2003, 2004, 2005 and finally 2006. So it took six years from drafting Malkin to win a Cup, even after they picked Crosby they still drafted 2nd last the next year.

Quebec picked 3rd overall in 1988, 1st overall in 1989/90/91, and finally 4th overall in 1992. So it took eight years from the first time they picked top three.

Not defending the Oilers, just stating facts, realistically they picked their first top three pick in 2010. Not having picked any generational players I'd say judge them in about five years to see if it actually paid off.
- LeftCoaster

The Oilers should be in a better position than 29th in the NHL.

Pits drafted Malkin 2nd overall in 2004, Crosby in 2005, they then won a cup in 08-09, and were runners up in 07-08. That is a 3 - 4 year turnaround from last to SC playoffs, then a cup the next year.

Oilers drafted Hall in 2010, Nuge in 2011, and Yak in 2012. So if they make it to the cup final this year and win it next year, they would be on course with the Pens.

My point is that the Oilers should be at least competing with some of these top young teams (St.L and Chi), but their poor drafting/development and ability to bring in the right players to compliment them has them in last again.

I don't expect them to win a cup this year or next, but I would expect them to make the po's. or at least get out of the 29th spot.

I don't know what you mean by generational players?

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