Schenn Timonen and Streit Mac both could be really good or really bad together. Might be worth the change if things start to go awry.
- FlyersSteve118

Yeah. If they were going to do it, they would have done it earlier. I just don't see how they could break up all three pairings during this stretch. At least they know Timonen-Coburn is reliable and Schenn-Mac is somewhat reliable.

Yeah. If they were going to do it, they would have done it earlier. I just don't see how they could break up all three pairings during this stretch. At least they know Timonen-Coburn is reliable and Schenn-Mac is somewhat reliable.
- PhillySportsGuy

And when Grossman has the energy to get to the puck in the corner the middle pairing is pretty solid too.

If you watch Karlsson play, he leaves his team vulnerable quite a bit. He's always thinking offense. Guys like Pietrangelo and Keith could put up points like Karlsson if they played aggressively like him.
- PhillySportsGuy

does karlsson leave his team vulnerable even if i don't watch him play?

I would argue that Morin still hasn't grown into his body. He still looks a little awkward. I just don't want to stunt his offensive potential. Give him a chance to run the top PP unit on his Junior team.

Look what happened with Luke Schenn. They brought him up too quickly and used as a defensive defenseman from the start. He was never given an opportunity to improve offensively.
- PhillySportsGuy

At the same time, the same thing happened to Chara. He didn't develop his offensive game until later in his career. And that is OK. I cant remember, but I think the same thing happened with Pronger.

Also, both Chara and Pronger look akward because they are so large. Morin is about an inch taller then Pronger and only 10 lbs lighter then Prongers last year here.... I would say, size wize they are kind of close. Those 10 lbs can be added in the offseason easy.

I believe if he plays 10 games in the NHL, his Entry level deal kicks in.
- MJL

Nope. Remember we had this discussion earlier, about whether ot not Laughton could have another tryout? Winnipeg did it 2 years in a row with Scheifele. Played 11 games prior to the ELC kicking in.

Nope. Remember we had this discussion earlier, about whether ot not Laughton could have another tryout? Winnipeg did it 2 years in a row with Scheifele. Played 11 games prior to the ELC kicking in.
- jmatchett383

11 games in a season as opposed to 11 (or more) over multiple seasons, right?

At the same time, the same thing happened to Chara. He didn't develop his offensive game until later in his career. And that is OK. I cant remember, but I think the same thing happened with Pronger.

Also, both Chara and Pronger look akward because they are so large. Morin is about an inch taller then Pronger and only 10 lbs lighter then Prongers last year here.... I would say, size wize they are kind of close. Those 10 lbs can be added in the offseason easy.
- SchennBros

Pronger was a 1.0 or higher PPG player in the OHL in every year he played. He was dominant offensively from day 1.

For a normal defenseman I would say your right, give them more time to grow into thier body. But Morin is already grown into his body.

I take a look at Chara and Pronger. Not too many guys you can compair his size to. Chara spent 1 year in the WHL and was basically NHL bound after that... Just a few games in AHL before the rule change.

Pronger spent 2 years in the OHL before making the jump, but 1 was predraft.

Its just my opinion, but the reason defenseman take so long to develop is first they have to grow into thier bodies. Because once you grow into your body, your skating, positioning... everything changes... and you have to relearn it. And then, they have to relearn it again because everything changes again adjusting from the Junior level to the Pro level.

That is why you see offensive guys make the leap real quick, and then sometimes regress...like Fowler. Even Doughty had regression before coming back on strong.

And its the reason that I think Morin would do better in the NHL. He is already grown into his body. He might put on 10 more lbs, but that will likely happen this offseason anyway. He has a very RAW game, I will agree to that, but like Pronger and Chara he can work on it in the NHL, because his size will allow him too. And IMO just by pure size, he wont learn very much more in juniors. Its like asking a Highschool Senior to play on a Pee-Wee team and to improve his game..
- SchennBros

Zdeno Chara was a 3rd round selection expected to be a bottom-pair shutdown defender, and he was for 4 years before Ottawa changed that, and he already had 4 years of pro experience. Pronger had huge point numbers in the OHL for 2 straihgt years before coming in. Morin has progressed, but 31 points in 54 games in the offensively-minded QMJHL is far from staggering totals. Please please please do not rush this kid? Can we please just let him develop slowly?

Zdeno Chara was a 3rd round selection expected to be a bottom-pair shutdown defender, and he was for 4 years before Ottawa changed that, and he already had 4 years of pro experience. Pronger had huge point numbers in the OHL for 2 straihgt years before coming in. Morin has progressed, but 31 points in 54 games in the offensively-minded QMJHL is far from staggering totals. Please please please do not rush this kid? Can we please just let him develop slowly?
- jmatchett383

I am pretty sure every one who understands hockey knows perfectly well that Morin will be brought along slowly. Now lets hope and pray that management understands hockey....

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- Sms401

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11 games in a season as opposed to 11 (or more) over multiple seasons, right?
- wolfhounds

Not exactly.

To start the season, if you're a CHL player under 20, you either play in the NHL or CHL. Each season, you can play the first 9 games of the NHL season without your ELC kicking in, upon which point you must return to junior or the ELC kicks in.

However, after your junior season is over, you can play for your NHL team (Ryan Parent in 06/07, Chris Kredier in 11/12) or your AHL team (Jeff Carter in 03/04 and 04/05) for the remainder of their season.

The reason the rule is in place is to stop NHL teams from stealing all of the CHL talent. So, once the CHL season is ended, they no longer have a say in where they play.

I am pretty sure every one who understands hockey knows perfectly well that Morin will be brought along slowly. Now lets hope and pray that management understands hockey....
- FlyersSteve118

I think you just insulted a few people, depending on your definition of "brought along slowly."

Not exactly.

To start the season, if you're a CHL player under 20, you either play in the NHL or CHL. Each season, you can play the first 9 games of the NHL season without your ELC kicking in, upon which point you must return to junior or the ELC kicks in.

However, after your junior season is over, you can play for your NHL team (Ryan Parent in 06/07, Chris Kredier in 11/12) or your AHL team (Jeff Carter in 03/04 and 04/05) for the remainder of their season.

The reason the rule is in place is to stop NHL teams from stealing all of the CHL talent. So, once the CHL season is ended, they no longer have a say in where they play.
- jmatchett383

Thanks. Appreciated. I wasn't clear on those details.

Ignore me
- Giroux_Is_God

FWIW, Josh Morrissey has 73 points in the WHL this year, and Ryan Pulock has 63. Just for reference.

Thanks. Appreciated. I wasn't clear on those details.
- wolfhounds

No problem. There was a big to-do about whether or not Laughton could get another 9-game tryout after his 5-gamer last year. At first, Homer didn't think so, and it's not spelled out well in either CBA (old or new). But the case is that all CHL players under 20 can have a 9 (or pro-rated 5 in 12/13) game tryout to start every season without their ELC kicking in.

I think you just insulted a few people, depending on your definition of "brought along slowly."
- jmatchett383

1 more junior year. One or two more years in the AHL depending on development. = Slowly.

1 more junior year. One or two more years in the AHL depending on development. = Slowly.
- FlyersSteve118

irrelevant


edit: whoops, quoted the wrong post

1 more junior year. One or two more years in the AHL depending on development. = Slowly.
- FlyersSteve118

Then yeah, some people on here don't understand hockey.

Though I agree, I think that is the best path for him to realize his full potential, whatever it may be.

Nope. Remember we had this discussion earlier, about whether ot not Laughton could have another tryout? Winnipeg did it 2 years in a row with Scheifele. Played 11 games prior to the ELC kicking in.
- jmatchett383

I'm not saying he can't have another tryout. I'm saying that the 10 game threshold is still there to my knowledge, and then his ELC will kick in.

I'm not saying he can't have another tryout. I'm saying that the 10 game threshold is still there to my knowledge, and then his ELC will kick in.
- MJL

I'm just saying he can have 9 per year in multiple years. He can't do 10 to start any one year.

Again, Mark Scheifele is the best example. He played 7 games in 11/12 and then 4 in 12/13. His ELC kicked in this season.

Not exactly.

To start the season, if you're a CHL player under 20, you either play in the NHL or CHL. Each season, you can play the first 9 games of the NHL season without your ELC kicking in, upon which point you must return to junior or the ELC kicks in.

However, after your junior season is over, you can play for your NHL team (Ryan Parent in 06/07, Chris Kredier in 11/12) or your AHL team (Jeff Carter in 03/04 and 04/05) for the remainder of their season.

The reason the rule is in place is to stop NHL teams from stealing all of the CHL talent. So, once the CHL season is ended, they no longer have a say in where they play.
- jmatchett383

Carter played in the AHL as did Richards on an ATO. The Rangers burned a year off of Kreider's ELC by using him for 18 games in the 11/12 NHL playoffs.

I am pretty sure every one who understands hockey knows perfectly well that Morin will be brought along slowly. Now lets hope and pray that management understands hockey....
- FlyersSteve118

Your insults are so smooth... Like Keith Stone.

Your insults are so smooth... Like Keith Stone.


- SchennBros

Um yeah. I got no clue what that is.

Carter played in the AHL as did Richards on an ATO. The Rangers burned a year off of Kreider's ELC by using him for 18 games in the 11/12 NHL playoffs.
- MJL

Huh...didn't realize they burned a year on that. I was wrong.

Still, based on Laughton playing all 5 games last year (pro-rated 9) and 1 this year, along with Scheifele playing 11 games in the 2 years before the season his ELC kicked in, I'm 99% certain that you can play up to 9 games in multiple seasons before your ELC kicks in (assuming you're a CHL player under 20).