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AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Mar 18 @ 3:27 PM ET
Dumbfounded how they could even consider Naslund? WTF is with hiring people with minimal managerial experience; when is this team gonna (frank)in get it right...getting frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- LeftCoaster


We might want to save the frustration for things that have actually happened. At the moment this is all rumor perpetrated by dingbats on am1040. If Bob Mackenzie comes out and says it, then I'll start to get concerned.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Mar 18 @ 3:32 PM ET
We might want to save the frustration for things that have actually happened. At the moment this is all rumor perpetrated by dingbats on am1040. If Bob Mackenzie comes out and says it, then I'll start to get concerned.
- AlexF


I still don't understand how most of those "hosts" still have jobs, they're the worst sort of homers and completely clueless sportscasters around.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 18 @ 3:32 PM ET
Dear God this franchise is going to hell in a handbasket...(frank) me! Hiring Naslund is going back to the hiring of Nonis, hardly any managerial experience, how'd that work out.


- LeftCoaster[/quote
Quite worried about the future, now, with these roomered knee-jerk reaction moves. The future may not look too bright.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 18 @ 3:34 PM ET
We might want to save the frustration for things that have actually happened. At the moment this is all rumor perpetrated by dingbats on am1040. If Bob Mackenzie comes out and says it, then I'll start to get concerned.
- AlexF

True enough.
Why does Dave Pratt have a job in Vancouver sports media?
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Mar 18 @ 3:34 PM ET
I can certainly understand (to a certain extent) being frustrated with Torts, but one line that struck me as odd was the criticism that he hasn't shown emotion for the Canucks. Let me start by adding the caveat that I don't watch or hear every presser he does so my observation is fairly limited overall, BUT when a coach tries to fight his way into an opponents locker room that doesn't strike me as a guy who doesn't show emotion for his team. Knowing Torts through his time in Tampa and then to the Rags he has never been known as a guy who lacks for emotion so again the line just struck me as odd.

As for his fist pump and wave during the ceremony, from a Bolts fan perspective, the fact Torts decided to partake in the ceremony in the first place deserves a kudos IMO. I can certainly understand the frustration seeing your coach celebrate an accomplishment with another team when you are getting ready to play that team but in reality they weren't playing the 2004 Lightning, they were playing the 2013 Lightning who remained seated on the bench the same as the 2013 Canucks did. It was members of the 2004 team that stood at center ice and were honored of which Torts was their coach so given the fact that the schedule allowed and Torts was there, it was only fitting that he be part of that celebration. Just my .02
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Mar 18 @ 3:39 PM ET
Josh Ho-Sang

The next Richard Park?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 18 @ 3:40 PM ET
Josh Ho-Sang

The next Richard Park?

- Chest Rockwell



AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Mar 18 @ 3:44 PM ET
Sounds like the NHL is considering changes to its draft lottery that will make tanking less appealing

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-...in-nhl-draft-lottery.html
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 18 @ 3:48 PM ET
Sounds like the NHL is considering changes to its draft lottery that will make tanking less appealing

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-...in-nhl-draft-lottery.html

- AlexF



That would (frank) up the Canucks re-tool, rebuild, etc big time.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 18 @ 3:49 PM ET
Well in all fairness he has been doing this for a couple years and Steve Y just jumped in with zero expereince and has done a pretty damn good job.

Oh hell, Wtf does it even matter? We are the Canucks. No matter what we do, We'll never win the big game and Everything Our franchise touches turn to sh!t.

Cheers to another 40 years of mediocrity, Goalie Carousels and Horrible GM's.

Should be fun.

- vancity787

Yzerman spent nearly four years in management before he became Tampa's GM. Which by my definition is not a lot, however, Naslund has one year.

"On September 25, 2006, Yzerman was named as a Vice President of the Detroit Red Wings. He won a fourth Stanley Cup as the Vice President of Operations in 2007–08. He served as the team's Alternate Governor until he was hired away from the Red Wings to become the general manager for the Tampa Bay Lightning in May 2010."
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Mar 18 @ 3:50 PM ET
That would (frank) up the Canucks re-tool, rebuild, etc big time.
- Nucker101


Won't affect #Tanknation for this year.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 18 @ 3:52 PM ET
We might want to save the frustration for things that have actually happened. At the moment this is all rumor perpetrated by dingbats on am1040. If Bob Mackenzie comes out and says it, then I'll start to get concerned.
- AlexF

joesmith84
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada, BC
Joined: 09.25.2007

Mar 18 @ 3:56 PM ET
Here are the players most/some people have in there top 10

I think we can use a talented forward prospect that can score and has some grit so I'm using goals, points and pims per games in brackets, also included birthday and how good their team is offensively:

Sam Reinhart (0.6 GPG, 1.75 PPG, 0.2 PIM) - Late 95 Birthday - Average Team
Aaron Ekblad (0.4 GPG, 0.9 PPG, 1.55 PIM) - Early 96 Birthday - Good Team
Sam Bennett (0.6 GPG, 1.6 PPG, 2.1 PIM) - Mid 96 Birthday - Great Team
Leon Draisaitl (0.6 GPG, 1.6 PPG, 0.4 PIM) - Late 95 Birthday - Average Team
Michael Dal Colle (0.6 GPG, 1.4 PPG, 0.5 PIM) - Mid 96 Birthday - Average Team
Nikolaj Ehlers (0.8 GPG, 1.65PPG, 0.8 PIM) - Early 96 Birthday - Great Team
Brendan Perlini (0.6 GPG, 1.2 PPG, 0.6 PIM) - Mid 96 Birthday - Average Team
William Nylander - Swedish Elite League(bottom 6 F so hard to judge on stats)
Nick Ritchie (0.6 GPG, 1.2 PPG, 2.2 PIM) - Late 95 Birthday - Average Team
Jake Virtanen (0.6 GPG, 1.0 PPG, 1.4 PIM) - Mid 96 Birthday - Good Team
Josh Ho-Sang (0.5 GPG, 1.25 PPG, 0.65 PIM) - Early 96 Birthday - Good Team
Haydn Fleury (0.1 GPG, 0.65 PPG, 0.65 PIM) - Mid 96 Birthday - Average Team
Jared McCann (0.4 GPG, 0.95 PPG, 0.8 PIM) - Mid 96 Birthday - Good Team



Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett ( ), Draisaitl, Dal Colle, Ehlers all look great on paper.

Perlini, Ritchie, Virtanen, Josh Ho-Sang, Haydn Fleury seem like the next tier.



If the Canucks don't luck out with a top 6 pick, they realistically only have a shot at Ehlers, which would be a very good pick. The other guy that intruiges me is Perlini ince he's on a bad team

- Nucker101


I also like Kasperi Kapanen. He has good bloodlines. Unfortunately, I think we're going to miss out on the big 5 of: Bennett, Reinhart, Ekblad, Draisaitl & Dal Colle. I think we need a winger or versatile centre. So we're looking at: Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini, Ehlers, Kapanen or Nylander. I would lean to towards a North American kid, preferrably Canadian. I like Ritchie.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 18 @ 4:00 PM ET
I also like Kasperi Kapanen. He has good bloodlines. Unfortunately, I think we're going to miss out on the big 5 of: Bennett, Reinhart, Ekblad, Draisaitl & Dal Colle. I think we need a winger or versatile centre. So we're looking at: Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini, Ehlers, Kapanen or Nylander. I would lean to towards a North American kid, preferrably Canadian. I like Ritchie.
- joesmith84


Ritchie scares me since he has an earlier birthdate and his numbers last year were average for a top prospect at that age. His size allows him to simply out-muscle a lot of kids in junior, too risky for my liking at that 7-9 range.

Nylander is projected to go top 5(7 at the latest) as well, so Ehlers could be had for the Canucks unless he continues to climb up draft boards. Perlini s one of the younger highly ranked players in the draft and plays on an average team with pretty good numbers, it's why I'm pretty intrigued by him.

Don't know much of the guys playing in Europe, hard to judge them when they're playing limited minutes against grown men.
Artyukhin76
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.25.2009

Mar 18 @ 4:01 PM ET
What about Brian Lawton? He's available . According to Eklund, he's better the Yzerman, besides The Current Lightning roster is Lawton's anyway!
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Mar 18 @ 4:05 PM ET
I also like Kasperi Kapanen. He has good bloodlines. Unfortunately, I think we're going to miss out on the big 5 of: Bennett, Reinhart, Ekblad, Draisaitl & Dal Colle. I think we need a winger or versatile centre. So we're looking at: Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini, Ehlers, Kapanen or Nylander. I would lean to towards a North American kid, preferrably Canadian. I like Ritchie.
- joesmith84


We were discussing the prospect of packaging a player + our 1st rounder to move up into the top 5. It's Gillis, so I doubt he could pull it off, but I imagine teams like EDM and FLO would consider it given how many prospects they already have. IMO it's only worth it if we're getting Reinhardt or Bennett.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 18 @ 4:09 PM ET
Won't affect #Tanknation for this year.
- Chest Rockwell

There better not be any tanknation talk next year, 2 months is enough.
joesmith84
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada, BC
Joined: 09.25.2007

Mar 18 @ 4:09 PM ET
Ritchie scares me since he has an earlier birthdate and his numbers last year were average for a top prospect at that age. His size allows him to simply out-muscle a lot of kids in junior, too risky for my liking at that 7-9 range.

Nylander is projected to go top 5(7 at the latest) as well, so Ehlers could be had for the Canucks unless he continues to climb up draft boards. Perlini s one of the younger highly ranked players in the draft and plays on an average team with pretty good numbers, it's why I'm pretty intrigued by him.

Don't know much of the guys playing in Europe, hard to judge them when they're playing limited minutes against grown men.

- Nucker101


Thanks for the insight on Ritchie. I definitely don't want the Canucks to mess this up. This pick has the potential to be a bigger piece than Horvat. I haven't seen Nylander ranked top 5 lately. I've seen him out of the top 10 even. I do like the idea of Perlini. Personally, I would like Dal Colle or Draisaitl but we aren't getting them unless we lose every game or win the lottery, in which case we would likely take Reinhart or Bennett. It's going to be an interesting few months leading up to the draft! I'd rather spend my time looking at potential Canucks top 10 picks then watching us get spanked in the first round again when it's inevitable that we need to rebuild.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Mar 18 @ 4:13 PM ET
There better not be any tanknation talk next year, 2 months is enough.
- A_SteamingLombardi


This
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Mar 18 @ 4:20 PM ET
There better not be any tanknation talk next year, 2 months is enough.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Hey, I'm on board with that! Have been since the beginning
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Mar 18 @ 4:22 PM ET
Ritchie scares me since he has an earlier birthdate and his numbers last year were average for a top prospect at that age. His size allows him to simply out-muscle a lot of kids in junior, too risky for my liking at that 7-9 range.

Nylander is projected to go top 5(7 at the latest) as well, so Ehlers could be had for the Canucks unless he continues to climb up draft boards. Perlini s one of the younger highly ranked players in the draft and plays on an average team with pretty good numbers, it's why I'm pretty intrigued by him.

Don't know much of the guys playing in Europe, hard to judge them when they're playing limited minutes against grown men.

- Nucker101


Seen a lot of guys on Twitter lobbying for Nylander, haven't really heard too much about him.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 18 @ 4:28 PM ET
Hey, I'm on board with that! Have been since the beginning
- Chest Rockwell

I think we all are, in fact I know we all are. This year is a right off because of injuries and the condensed season because of the Olympics, not to mention a new coach and system that doesn't fit our personel. Looking forward to the draft and next years training camp. It would be great to see some young blood in the line up next year, not because of injuries but because they earned their spots.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Mar 18 @ 4:42 PM ET
I think we all are, in fact I know we all are. This year is a right off because of injuries and the condensed season because of the Olympics, not to mention a new coach and system that doesn't fit our personel. Looking forward to the draft and next years training camp. It would be great to see some young blood in the line up next year, not because of injuries but because they earned their spots.
- A_SteamingLombardi


This year is a write-off because there is nothing left to play for. At the start of a season, when there's everything to play for, I want my team to give 'er. That said, if we don't see any moves of significance made this offseason I think we'll be staring at another bubble playoff season, even with far less injuries.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Mar 18 @ 4:46 PM ET
Jake Virtanen would be the guy most are hoping for in that range of picks...
- Chest Rockwell



That would be funny. With some of the battles I've seen between him and Shink having them battle for a spot on the Nucks would be hilarious.


Also depends if your scouts think like Craig Button. He has Virtanen ranked in the 40's
joesmith84
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada, BC
Joined: 09.25.2007

Mar 18 @ 4:53 PM ET
I think we all are, in fact I know we all are. This year is a right off because of injuries and the condensed season because of the Olympics, not to mention a new coach and system that doesn't fit our personel. Looking forward to the draft and next years training camp. It would be great to see some young blood in the line up next year, not because of injuries but because they earned their spots.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but next year our guys will all be a year older. Our core are all past their primes. Kesler will likely be gone for younger players. Lu is gone and Lack hasn't exactly been stellar since Lu was traded. Maybe we add a big name UFA but that's just a band-aid.

Personally,I think this team needs another 1-2 bad years and a few top 5 picks or we're just going to be like Calgary, not good enough to make the playoffs but not bad enough to get a good pick. Does anyone here actually think we can compete with St.Louis, Colorado, Chicago, Anaheim, San Jose & LA next year? They're all bigger, younger & faster than us. I say trade Kes & Edler, don't add anyone as a UFA and make it a rebuild year. Go for Eichel or McDavid.
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