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- Flyfreaky

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- -davies-

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- Flyfreaky

Wow. These comments.

most second lines usually receive sheltered minutes. Simmonds is a specialist below the goal line on the power play. He has flashes of brilliance at even strength but is very streaky with his even strength production. Great service line guy, potential to crack a weak first line.

The math is way off cuz if you calculate the same numbers for Jay rosehill it would say he scores every 15 seconds.

+/- is not a useless stat. It is however, useless by itself. If a player has a high +/- and high% of defensive zone starts vs high qoc, said payer can turn defense into offense. If a second line player with sheltered minutes has a negative +/- said player is lacking defensive and is one dimensional.

Now if Richards and Carter were even +/- in a shutdown role whilst still scoring goals. That is a very good thing and not a bad thing. Whoever used that +/- start could be wrong or right they just didn't provide enough info.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but your math is way off. Just think about it, you say that Simmonds averages a point for every 3.29 minutes. that would mean he scores close to 5 points a game.

Based on the ice time, points, and GP's you posted:

Crosby averages about a point per every 16 and a bit minutes played.
Simmonds averages about a point per every 21 and a half minutes played.


So it's not even really that close.

- eichiefs9

i think it moved

Here are the leaders this year in points-per-60-mins: http://www.sportingcharts...-per-60-min-leaders/2013/

Simmonds is 31st, just in between Jussi Jokinen and Reilly Smith. Not exactly elite company. Probably higher than one would expect for Simmonds though, but that's because he plays a lot on the PP and basically not at all SH.

Did someone pay any attention about the said stats???

Ek's methodology:

94/21,58=4,3558 Mins of ice per point
If that was the truth then Crosby would have 4,95pts/game

54/16,39=3,294 Mins of ice per point
Simmonds would then have 4,98 pts/game

The correct answer here would be 21,97x70=1537,90/94=16,36 which means 16:22 Mins of ice per point and Simmonds: 16,65x70=1165,50/54=21,58---21:35 Mins of ice per point.

Just saying.

Did someone pay any attention about the said stats???

Ek's methodology:

94/21,58=4,3558 Mins of ice per point
If that was the truth then Crosby would have 4,95pts/game

54/16,39=3,294 Mins of ice per point
Simmonds would then have 4,98 pts/game

The correct answer here would be 21,97x70=1537,90/94=16,36 which means 16:22 Mins of ice per point and Simmonds: 16,65x70=1165,50/54=21,58---21:35 Mins of ice per point.

Just saying.
- Habsody

It's been pointed out but I can't even talk Sh!t as your habs are kicking the leafs asses lately.

whichever player gets the most points in a game tonight is the best player in the league as of march 23/2014

NO to any 4 or 5 year extension. 3 years is good enough for MacDonald

Makes you wonder why the Kings never used this guy as a Power forward instead of a line 3rd line winger.

NO to any 4 or 5 year extension. 3 years is good enough for MacDonald
- twpguy

At the right number, why not lock him up for 4-5 years? He'll walk if you only offer him 3, or it will drive up the cap hit, in exchange for a lesser term.

Seriously, without even crunching the numbers and just based on looking at them, how could you come up with those figures? let alone actually read it over and post it?

94 in roughly 21 mins TOI
54 in roughly 16 mins TOI….

Without even crunching the numbers you can just see simmonds gets roughly 25% less TOI per game than sid, with around 40% less points…

Just another day in Eklunds office I guess

Don't let my fellow Flyer fans think we don't appreciate what Mike Richards and Jeff Carter did. For me personally I think they gave the Kings a balance offense providing a second line and a better PK and PP for the Kings. Yea the Kings don't score alot but thats not what they are built around they are built on solid goaltending and defense.

Some of my fellow Flyer fans just wanna look at points for the first 2years of Sean Couturier career they wanted to trade him because he didn't score alot of points.

Makes you wonder why the Kings never used this guy as a Power forward instead of a line 3rd line winger.
- 215mike

They did. He wasn't all that great, a poor man's Dustin Brown on the Kings.

Now he's fine in Philly, that is a far more wide open system and allows him to score more, plus it's a role that fits him better.

Comparing points between the players is incredibly stupid though, they're totally different systems. Carter and Richards play much more defense in LA, that's the style the team plays. Richards hasn't been that great this year, (then again neither has Brown, he's banged up, no idea about Richards) but he hasn't been a negative other than his low points. He's not constantly putting the Kings in a bad situation, and Carter has been great since his arrival. For all the negatives Flyers fans said about him (doesn't play defense, doesn't score big goals, lockerroom cancer, doesn't try, etc etc) he's been completely opposite in LA.

The trade worked out for both teams. If you want to put a winner on things, you can throw out points till your faces turn blue, but with Carter and Richards being a big part of the Kings winning the cup (and don't kid yourself, they were big, Carter has the cup clinching goal by the way, and was huge in the finals) the Kings will come off as a winner. It's easier to say everyone won..... Except the BJ's it seems.

But he shouldn't use ridiculous statistics that don't mean anything, and phony math that doesn't calculate what he says in does.

(1) Can't use full year points numbers with per game ATOI and come up with any kind of meaningful number.

(2) But even if he were ok on (1), his math is absurd: Point / ATOI would NOT give you average minutes per point; it would give you average points per minute.

Blows his whole argument by not understanding the math behind it.
- StLBravesFan

His math says Crosby gets a point every 4:30. He plays 22 miutes a game....would that then mean he is getting 5 points a game?

I tried some different math.

I multipled the toi by the number of games and got an number of 21.24 For Simmonds, and 16:07 for Crosby.

That does make sense, as Crosby gets just over a point a game, and Simmonds gets just under a point a game.

I know the math isn't 100% correct, but it is way closer to points per amount of time on ice as Ek has posted.

I think your number crunching is very wrong. Let us consider that each game is 60 minutes; I will leave OT minutes out because I do not have those figures. Here is what I do have. Based on each player playing all 60 minutes in a game, every game; Crosby would have 261.35 point after 70 games and Simmonds would have 197.68 points after 70 games. So per minute, Sidney Crosby scores on a pace of .0622 pts/minute and Wayne Simmonds scores on a pace of .0471 pts/minute. Math never lies. Even if Crosby played an inordinately higher number of minutes in overtime than Simmonds, it would not come even close to bringing those point totals to sway greatly.

Pretty much
- sbroads24

And yet you are here...

that's what I thought. so really this blog means nothing as it is completely wrong. Just another day at hockey buzz.
- currphij

And yet you are here

And yet you are here...
- SGTrader

I'm not here for the blogs

E5

Nice math Jackass.

WHO FREAKIN CARES STICK ALL THOSE STATS WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE

Wow. Did this blogger really just publish this without checking his math that is obviously way off, when the premise of the entire article is built around the math? Now THAT is embarrassing.

They let anyone write in this junk site I guess.
- EquityAdvocate

Ek obviously took math at the same school that he took journalism

The math seemed a little off, this is what I get for the few players that I tried

players...... gp - pts - ice/g - ice/p
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stamkos... 26 - 32 - 20:18 - 16:29
crosby...... 71 - 94 - 22:00 - 16:37
malkin...... 60 - 72 - 20:03 - 16:42
neal......... 48 - 52 - 18:23 - 16:58
giroux...... 70 - 74 - 20:34 - 19:27
ovechkin.. 68 - 69 - 20:39 - 20:21
simmonds 70 - 54 - 16:39 - 21:34