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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
See, I kinda disagree with that.

Yeah, you pay Doughty and Kopitar. Totally fine.

But you took on Richards and Carter. Granted, that got you a Cup, so that's a mitigator. But you still took on 8-10 years of term, for both.

But no one forced you to give Brown eight years, and the kicker is extending Quick until 2023!

Again: I get it. You're paying your guys.

But at the same time...those commitments are staggering, in term. Richards and Brown are now bottom six forwards. What in the world are you going to do when Carter joins them and Quick's a backup?

- AllInForFlyers



In terms of icetime, both players are top 6 forwards for the Kings.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
Carolina signs Faulk, 6 years, $29mm
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 3m
Hurricanes announce six-year, $29M extension for Justin Faulk

This is good news.... No way MacDonald gets anything close to 5 million now.

- PLindbergh31


Faulk was an RFA. Apples and Oranges.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 3m
Hurricanes announce six-year, $29M extension for Justin Faulk

This is good news.... No way MacDonald gets anything close to 5 million now.

- PLindbergh31

Faulk was a RFA, MacDonald is UFA
Daveflyers36
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.20.2011

Mar 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Our PK is pretty good now. They aren't as much a threat to score short handed though. I think Read has 4 SHG, which is one behind the leader. Not much after that.

Carter and Richards were both good at creating odd man rushes. I remember that being a large part of their John Stevens offense.

- PhillySportsGuy



I am not complaining about PK now. As many penalties as this team takes, if our PK sucked we wouldn't be close to a playoff spot. I just miss that other aspect of the PK that other PP units had to respect. It made it harder for the D-man to pinch in because Richie and Carter were so good at taking the puck the other way for an odd-man rush. Even at 5 on 3.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Damnit, late twice
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
Damnit, late twice
- Jsaquella



Getting old and slow...
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 3m
Hurricanes announce six-year, $29M extension for Justin Faulk

This is good news.... No way MacDonald gets anything close to 5 million now.

- PLindbergh31


He was gonna get something in that area anyway. If he gets an AAV lower than 5.25, I'll be surprised.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
Faulk was an RFA. Apples and Oranges.
- PhillySportsGuy


Not really. Faulk is a better player regardless of status. Just because someone is a UFA doesn't mean you have to meet their asking price.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:50 AM ET
People keep assuming this, but there's really nothing to support it.
- Tomahawk



Sure there is. The normal percentage of growth in HRR from year to year.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:50 AM ET
Getting old and slow...
- Tomahawk


Yep. Without the media pressure here...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
Not really. Faulk is a better player regardless of status. Just because someone is a UFA doesn't mean you have to meet their asking price.
- PLindbergh31


The difference between RFA and UFA has everything to do with it.
Daveflyers36
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.20.2011

Mar 24 @ 10:52 AM ET
Yep. Without the media pressure here...
- Jsaquella



PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:53 AM ET
Not really. Faulk is a better player regardless of status. Just because someone is a UFA doesn't mean you have to meet their asking price.
- PLindbergh31


I don't know if you've ever negotiated before, but having the ability to accept another offer is usually pretty helpful. I'm not sure another team was going to be willing to offer $5M per year to Faulk while also giving up multiple 1st round picks.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 24 @ 10:53 AM ET
Playoffs around the corner, hope they can carry this momentum into the postseason. Damn Giroux has been amazing.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 24 @ 10:55 AM ET
I don't know if you've ever negotiated before, but having the ability to accept another is usually pretty helpful. I'm not sure another team was going to be willing to offer $5M per year to Faulk while also giving up multiple 1st round picks.
- PhillySportsGuy


If MacDonald reaches UFA status how many offers north of 5 million do you think he's going to receive?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 10:55 AM ET
Apparently, St Louis & Steppan have the flu...get sick Rangers
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:56 AM ET
If MacDonald reaches UFA status how many offers north of 5 million do you think he's going to receive?
- PLindbergh31


I don't know, but teams won't be giving up 2 first round picks to get him. That will help a little with negotiations.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:56 AM ET
In the 'just for kicks' dept, how sweet would it be to have the Ashbee and Dupre awards next year go to...

*drumroll*

Luke Schenn?

- tangent_man


That would be fantastic!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
Not a bad idea. The Rangers game is more important. I would rather have Mason for the bigger game.
- PhillySportsGuy


I agree and I also thought that Emery played extremely well in the latter part of his last start.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:59 AM ET
I thought this year's cap increase did not reflect the new TV deal signed by Canada
- PhillySportsGuy


It doesn't. Even with a somewhat weakened Canadian dollar, the cap ceiling for 15-16 should be at least 75 million, and perhaps close to 80
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Mar 24 @ 10:59 AM ET
I don't know if you've ever negotiated before, but having the ability to accept another is usually pretty helpful. I'm not sure another team was going to be willing to offer $5M per year to Faulk while also giving up multiple 1st round picks.
- PhillySportsGuy


Yes but he signed a contract well into his UFA years. This isn't a typical RFA contract. It does establish a market value. If he was not getting paid MV than he would not have signed for 6 years.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 24 @ 10:59 AM ET
I agree and I also thought that Emery played extremely well in the latter part of his last start.
- BiggE


He did play well. It will be a tough game. He can't allow a weak goal because it may end up being the only goal of the game. Against Chicago, you knew they'd have their chances to even things up.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 24 @ 10:59 AM ET
Sure there is. The normal percentage of growth in HRR from year to year.
- MJL



The party just goes on forever, eh? No signs of turbulence whatsoever?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 24 @ 11:00 AM ET
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 3m
Hurricanes announce six-year, $29M extension for Justin Faulk

This is good news.... No way MacDonald gets anything close to 5 million now.

- PLindbergh31


Yup, I'm staying with my original guess. 6 years, 25.5-27 million.
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