I dont understand why you're evaluating a defenseman strictly on offensive production.
- rangerdanger94

I said how's he played against professionals, not how many points has he scored. As for his junior play, I've seen some (not a ton) of his games as well as Seth Jones, and I can tell you, from what I've seen, night and day players.

I think that package is outrageous and anyone willing to make that move read milburys biography once too much. It would take a deal like couterier and a 1st to move up. Maybe another mid round pick like a 3rd.
- rangerdanger94

Thats hilarious

As part of a package, likely. That alone won't land them what they want.
- jmatchett383

Yeah. I understand that. My point is more about the idea of trading for a known commodity. Trading these types of pieces for a defense prospect is incredibly risky. Why not just go after a known commodity. A package of Laughton, Morin and 2 firsts would probably get montreals attention in regards to Subban. Not saying they'd accept it, but were in the ballpark.

Yeah. Beck was a pain in the balls, hated James Patrick more...him and (frank)ing Pavelich
- Jsaquella

Don't forget Sandstrom, man I hated that piece of poop!

But.. But... Exceptional status! He's like the Sidney Tavares of defense.
- Tomahawk

Yep...He's well worth the price the Flyers paid to get a future hall of famer & guy who was till playing near Norris level in Chris Pronger

Don't forget Sandstrom, man I hated that piece of poop!
- BiggE

So did Dave Brown.

Don't forget Sandstrom, man I hated that piece of poop!
- BiggE

Yeah, he was a dirty, sneaky bastard.

Yeah. I understand that. My point is more about the idea of trading for a known commodity. Trading these types of pieces for a defense prospect is incredibly risky. Why not just go after a known commodity. A package of Laughton, Morin and 2 firsts would probably get montreals attention in regards to Subban. Not saying they'd accept it, but were in the ballpark.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'm not even interested in him and his ill-gotten Norris Trophy. I'd do my damndest to pry Suter away from Minnesota or Hedman from TB. Next to impossible, but if I'm crafting a super package, I want one of those types of guys.

I know you're vastly underrating Couturier's.

Look at last year's draft class. Eklblad was going before any of the top 5. Probably can include Monahan as well. That means he'd be no better than 7th, which is where Nurse went. It's likely a coin flip at that point.

Ekblad's a good prospect, but Couturier's already a proven NHLer, a guy who can be put out against top level opponents and shut them down and provide some offense. He's also 21.
- Jsaquella

I'm a huge fan of coots. Its just that if youre talking about trading for the 1st overall pick, it will take a lot. Most likely an overpayment. Coots is good but hes not gonna be a perennial 100 point 1st line center. As far as ekblad goes, he has the potential to become a top 10 defenseman in the nhl but thats only potential until he reaches it and historically, defensemen selected in the top 5 turn out to be busts more often than forwards so I understand the concern. Its just that if ekblad does turn into one of the best defenseman in the world, then no package not involving giroux will get him andyou would have missed your chance. High risk high reward but thats why nhl teams pay scouts a lot of money to evaluate prospects.

Yep...He's well worth the price the Flyers paid to get a future hall of famer & guy who was till playing near Norris level in Chris Pronger
- Jsaquella

Forget the James Norris trophy, Ekblad's got a closet full of Chuck Norris trophies. I hear he wrestles a bear before every game just to loosen up.

All season long you were saying that playing with tavares and brooklyn on the horizon while living in long island for a year will be enough to convince vanek to join your team that has a future thatis clearly going to be bright and successful. The islanders offered him max term for upwards of $8 mil a year after he had the most productive stretch of his life and he still said no. How about moulson pricing his way out of long island? And amac? And streit? And guys like vis and nabokov refusing to play when traded here or kovy and erhoff denying contract offers. I dont think brooklyn will help your case at all, but time will tell.
- rangerdanger94

1st bold. Who? Not me bud. Never said that. In fact I was more negative about that than anyone else. There was a chance but when Snow sat on his hands I think it was a forgone conclusion that he was not signing. 2nd bold. Um, no they didn't thye offered him 7 million but invent away(don't pull up some BS site rumoring this either)! 3rd bold. Funny how both of them signed with us and then resigned again isn't it? 4th bold. Brooklyn will definitely help but how much is the question? A new facility will never be a negative and always a positive in a FA's eyes. You're not revealing a big secret here. I know this team has a hard time signing FA's but I'll call you out every single time you post untrue BS like you did here to make a point which is the only thing consistent with you. I don't really understand your motive besides trolling bcs you weren't even part of the conversation and offered nothing to it in the first place? Maybe you should be more worried about your team even making it to the playoffs then the NY Islanders? You're a bit obsessed. LETS GO FLYERS!

Yep...He's well worth the price the Flyers paid to get a future hall of famer & guy who was till playing near Norris level in Chris Pronger
- Jsaquella

It would be hilarious if they did trade all that for #1... only to take Bennett or Reinhart

I'm not even interested in him and his ill-gotten Norris Trophy. I'd do my damndest to pry Suter away from Minnesota or Hedman from TB. Next to impossible, but if I'm crafting a super package, I want one of those types of guys.
- jmatchett383

I like Subban a lot. I think he's a #1 defenseman. Logs lots of minutes, plays well defensively and has a rocket of a shot. He's undisciplined, but I'll live with that.

I'm a huge fan of coots. Its just that if youre talking about trading for the 1st overall pick, it will take a lot. Most likely an overpayment. Coots is good but hes not gonna be a perennial 100 point 1st line center. As far as ekblad goes, he has the potential to become a top 10 defenseman in the nhl but thats only potential until he reaches it and historically, defensemen selected in the top 5 turn out to be busts more often than forwards so I understand the concern. Its just that if ekblad does turn into one of the best defenseman in the world, then no package not involving giroux will get him andyou would have missed your chance. High risk high reward but thats why nhl teams pay scouts a lot of money to evaluate prospects.
- rangerdanger94

I think Couturier and a 1st get you there, honestly. No, he'll never win an Art Ross, but he may be a guy who wins you a handful of Selke's, has already shown he can shut down an Art Ross player in a playoff series, and is a 50-60 point guy most likely. I think that would get it done in a weak draft class like this.

Still, no way I'd trade him for this year's #1 pick. Next year...well, yeah.

I'm a huge fan of coots. Its just that if youre talking about trading for the 1st overall pick, it will take a lot. Most likely an overpayment. Coots is good but hes not gonna be a perennial 100 point 1st line center. As far as ekblad goes, he has the potential to become a top 10 defenseman in the nhl but thats only potential until he reaches it and historically, defensemen selected in the top 5 turn out to be busts more often than forwards so I understand the concern. Its just that if ekblad does turn into one of the best defenseman in the world, then no package not involving giroux will get him andyou would have missed your chance. High risk high reward but thats why nhl teams pay scouts a lot of money to evaluate prospects.
- rangerdanger94

Yes, I get that in trading for the first overall pick you'd have to overpay, which is why I have absolutely zero interest in doing so.

I'm also not sold on Ekblad's potential to be a top ten defenseman in the NHL. He's likely going to be a very good one, but I doubt he's the next Shea Weber or Alex Pietrangelo.

If I'm "overpaying" to trade for an asset, it's going to be a proven one.

Watching Ranger and Islander fans fight makes me wish for a steel cage and a barbed wire wrapped baseball bat or 2!!

I'm a huge fan of coots. Its just that if youre talking about trading for the 1st overall pick, it will take a lot. Most likely an overpayment. Coots is good but hes not gonna be a perennial 100 point 1st line center. As far as ekblad goes, he has the potential to become a top 10 defenseman in the nhl but thats only potential until he reaches it and historically, defensemen selected in the top 5 turn out to be busts more often than forwards so I understand the concern. Its just that if ekblad does turn into one of the best defenseman in the world, then no package not involving giroux will get him andyou would have missed your chance. High risk high reward but thats why nhl teams pay scouts a lot of money to evaluate prospects.
- rangerdanger94

I doubt anyone in this draft is a perennial 100 point player. Most of the top offensive guys are strong two-way players.

You're looking at the draft in terms of numbers. Were looking at talent. There is a chance that Coots is going to be better than any player in this draft.

I like Subban a lot. I think he's a #1 defenseman. Logs lots of minutes, plays well defensively and has a rocket of a shot. He's undisciplined, but I'll live with that.
- PhillySportsGuy

Just give me Folin, bring back Kimmo on an incentive loaded deal, reup AMac to something reasonable, and see how the kids are in camp. That would be a successful spring/summer to me.

I'm not even interested in him and his ill-gotten Norris Trophy. I'd do my damndest to pry Suter away from Minnesota or Hedman from TB. Next to impossible, but if I'm crafting a super package, I want one of those types of guys.
- jmatchett383

You're right, its impossible to pry those guys away. As it will be to pry ekblad awya if he reaches his potential. Its a high risk high reward situation if you deal for him is all im saying. Whether or not you guys should or what pieces you guys would need to include is mot something I want to really discuss.

Forget the James Norris trophy, Ekblad's got a closet full of Chuck Norris trophies. I hear he wrestles a bear before every game just to loosen up.
- BulliesPhan87

He battles a bear when he shaves. That's the part of him that compares most to Shea Weber, his ability to grow a Grizzly Adams facemask in a half hour

It would be hilarious if they did trade all that for #1... only to take Bennett or Reinhart
- Tomahawk

Flyers gonna Flyer

Yes, I get that in trading for the first overall pick you'd have to overpay, which is why I have absolutely zero interest in doing so.

I'm also not sold on Ekblad's potential to be a top ten defenseman in the NHL. He's likely going to be a very good one, but I doubt he's the next Shea Weber or Alex Pietrangelo.

If I'm "overpaying" to trade for an asset, it's going to be a proven one.
- Jsaquella

Well said.

I like Subban a lot. I think he's a #1 defenseman. Logs lots of minutes, plays well defensively and has a rocket of a shot. He's undisciplined, but I'll live with that.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't think he's that good defensively. He can hit but that's about it. As much as I blasted the pick...Morin has really grown on me. He's likely a hit-or-miss guy (as far as return on a #11), but he's very intriguing. I think he's a Coburn-type at least, but the upside is very interesting.

Just give me Folin, bring back Kimmo on an incentive loaded deal, reup AMac to something reasonable, and see how the kids are in camp. That would be a successful spring/summer to me.
- Tomahawk

Maybe top me off with a good 4th line player too. Thats all Id want. Oh and don't draft an energy player in the third round.