that's your argument.... Briere still had the points plus the overall play. to strip him of not being a true 1st line player is insulting to what he brought to this team in what probably will be the best two years of Sabres hockey for a long time... I cant stand the guy now but I still respect him as a 1st line player from his past.
- bluengold12

So to summarize the last few pages:

The only great player the Sabres ever had since 1995 is the prospect of Drafting Ekblad

Any player mentioned during the past 20 years was good only because of a Lindy Ruff run system.

Lets get this straight, Briere was a lot better than Max, but my point is if the #1 overall pick in this year's draft is a center and he's not a couple notches above Briere and Ekblad is projected to be a franchise D-man, take him.
- GilPerreault11

Reinhart does project to be a top end guy but doesn't mean he will be, same with Ekblad and he would be an even bigger bust because of the position he plays and the fact that we all ready have a surplus in that position

that's your argument.... Briere still had the points plus the overall play. to strip him of not being a true 1st line player is insulting to what he brought to this team in what probably will be the best two years of Sabres hockey for a long time... I cant stand the guy now but I still respect him as a 1st line player from his past.
- bluengold12

He was OUR number 1 center, when we had a great team, hence why his numbers peaked, when he left and before he came here his numbers were along his career average of anywhere between 55-72 points. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp here.

You are trying to say he was a legit #1 center for his career. He wasn't, if he was, then so was Derek Roy

Tavares is 22 years old. Not 35
- sbroads24

We get it. Every Sabre is average.

Tavares is 22 years old. Not 35
- sbroads24

Wait what? Stats are convenient for you when you want to use them to make an argument not when I prove you wrong...got it

You said you want your first line center to produce more than the 65-75 point range well I just gave you a first line center who is the face of a franchise who averages just that.

Incredible

We get it. Every Sabre is average.
- RynoBull

Who said average?

People love to over romanticize players that used to play here and put them on this golden pedestal.

I find it odd that the bonafide #1 center, lasted one season as a center in Philly

For a 3 year stretch Briere averages over a point per game if thats not a first line talent I have no idea what is
- Stripes77

He may have averaged a point per game but that average was jacked up because of his one 95 pt season. If you look at the rest of his stats he is a 2nd line, small center.

Sabres Stats

2002-3 58 pt

03-04 65 pts

05-06 58 pts in 48 games

06-07 95 pts

Not franchise numbers


I liked him but he wasn't a franchise player in my opinion and his stats support my opinion.

He was OUR number 1 center, when we had a great team, hence why his numbers peaked, when he left and before he came here his numbers were along his career average of anywhere between 55-72 points. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp here.

You are trying to say he was a legit #1 center for his career. He wasn't, if he was, then so was Derek Roy
- sbroads24

His numbers right after he left here were still in the 70s then he got hurt and got old.. When your in your prime you play your best.. doesn't matter what team you play on... Hence us sucking once he left.. I don't see how hard it is to understand... we were nothing without him and Drury

Wait what? Stats are convenient for you when you want to use them to make an argument not when I prove you wrong...got it

You said you want your first line center to produce more than the 65-75 point range well I just gave you a first line center who is the face of a franchise who averages just that.

Incredible
- Stripes77

Yes incredible that you can't differ between a guys entire career, and a guy who's career is just beginning. That is indeed incredible

His numbers right after he left here were still in the 70s then he got hurt and got old.. When your in your prime you play your best.. doesn't matter what team you play on... Hence us sucking once he left.. I don't see how hard it is to understand... we were nothing without him and Drury
- bluengold12

We actually won the division and were a 3 seed 2 years after but whatever

Wait what? Stats are convenient for you when you want to use them to make an argument not when I prove you wrong...got it

You said you want your first line center to produce more than the 65-75 point range well I just gave you a first line center who is the face of a franchise who averages just that.

Incredible
- Stripes77

Who said average?

People love to over romanticize players that used to play here and put them on this golden pedestal.

I find it odd that the bonafide #1 center, lasted one season as a center in Philly
- sbroads24

he was 30 something not 22 when he went to philly

So to summarize the last few pages:

The only great player the Sabres ever had since 1995 is the prospect of Drafting Ekblad

Any player mentioned during the past 20 years was good only because of a Lindy Ruff run system.
- RynoBull

Funny how everyone loves bashing Ruff but when they have the opportunity to say a guy who ever played for the Buffalo Sabres was overrated they'll start praising Ruff like he's the next Scotty Bowman

His numbers right after he left here were still in the 70s then he got hurt and got old.. When your in your prime you play your best.. doesn't matter what team you play on... Hence us sucking once he left.. I don't see how hard it is to understand... we were nothing without him and Drury
- bluengold12

Also when you are on a great team you put up inflated numbers.

Honest question, does a 28 year old Breire put up 95 points this season on this team?

He was OUR number 1 center, when we had a great team, hence why his numbers peaked, when he left and before he came here his numbers were along his career average of anywhere between 55-72 points. I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp here.

You are trying to say he was a legit #1 center for his career. He wasn't, if he was, then so was Derek Roy
- sbroads24

Danny Briere averaged 80 pts per 82 games played in a Sabres uniform

Derek Roy averaged 67 pts per 82 games played in a Sabres uniform

Which one was better?

Looking at these 1st overall pics over the past 40 years and seeing the D that were taken. I am picking a forward. 1st overall. A forward 1st overall has more impact on a team than a 1st overallD in my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...t_overall_NHL_draft_picks

Danny Briere averaged 80 pts per 82 games played in a Sabres uniform

Derek Roy averaged 67 pts per 82 games played in a Sabres uniform

Which one was better?
- Stripes77

Neither. They were both overrated because they are Sabres..... but had over inflated numbers...

We actually won the division and were a 3 seed 2 years after but whatever
- sbroads24

Yeah but lost without him couldn't win a playoff series without him also we had younger guys coming up then. The current team in the year after he left was a reflection of how badly they needed him. Also Miller played one of the best seasons in the last twenty years that year which was a big reason why we made it to the playoffs.

Danny Briere averaged 80 pts per 82 games played in a Sabres uniform

Derek Roy averaged 67 pts per 82 games played in a Sabres uniform

Which one was better?
- Stripes77

"In a Sabres Uniform"

Key Phrase. He only played here what 3 years?

Neither. They were both overrated because they are Sabres..... but had over inflated numbers...
- RynoBull

Yes incredible that you can't differ between a guys entire career, and a guy who's career is just beginning. That is indeed incredible
- sbroads24

Patrick Marleu average 62 pts per 82 games. Drafted 2nd overall by the Sharks hmm I'd take him as well. You really are off on this one

Looking at these 1st overall pics over the past 40 years and seeing the D that were taken. I am picking a forward. 1st overall. A forward 1st overall has more impact on a team than a 1st overallD in my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...t_overall_NHL_draft_picks
- cabin

Yeah, this has been my point for about a month now but people seem to be ignoring history.

Looking at these 1st overall pics over the past 40 years and seeing the D that were taken. I am picking a forward. 1st overall. A forward 1st overall has more impact on a team than a 1st overallD in my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...t_overall_NHL_draft_picks
- cabin

THIS

"In a Sabres Uniform"

Key Phrase. He only played here what 3 years?
- sbroads24

4 years

He was a 1.5 PPG as A Berlin Polar Bear.

Patrick Marleu average 62 pts per 82 games. Drafted 2nd overall by the Sharks hmm I'd take him as well. You really are off on this one
- Stripes77

Vinny Lecavilier averages 67 pts per 82 games played I would take him as well