Win-loss record means bupkiss. That's like saying a pitcher with a 1.34 ERA who's 2-16 sucks... No, he just doesn't have any run support.

I've watched quite a few games that Bernier bent over backwards, did his part, and deserved the win but the rest of the team decided that scoring a goal or two was not important.
- Not_Stee

no. it's not even close to that. it's like saying that a pitcher who goes 12-12 with a 4.00 ERA is just OK.

Un gars vient de m'envoyer son CV...il a un DEC en laboratoire médical et un bac en Biologie.

Dernière expérience de travail, assistant gérant dans un Couche-Tard.

Il n'y a pas de sot métier, mais bon, c'est quand même un peu déprimant.

Thinking that Bernier would have saved the leafs is such a silly notion I can't believe it.

Let's look at it this way...

Typical Bernier outing = 2 goals given up on 49 shots, Leafs lose 2-1.

Typical Reimer outing = 4 goals given up on 29 shots, Leafs lose 4-3.

What happens when you put Bernier in Reimer's situations?
- Not_Stee

Leafs lose 2-1?

Thinking that Bernier would have saved the leafs is such a silly notion I can't believe it.
- Pecafan Fan

how?

Listen, even you guys as Hab fans will admit that even though your D had never been up to par, Carey Price steps up to the plate, masks the problem, and leads them to the dance.

All I'm trying to say is that even though the Leafs suck, Bernier can do that whereas Reimer simply cannot.

how?
- DoubleDown

save the leafs = miss the playoffs by 1 point instead of 3

Listen, even you guys as Hab fans will admit that even though your D had never been up to par, Carey Price steps up to the plate, masks the problem, and leads them to the dance.

All I'm trying to say is that even though the Leafs suck, Bernier can do that whereas Reimer simply cannot.
- Not_Stee

Bernier equals Price?

save the leafs = miss the playoffs by 1 point instead of 3
- Pecafan Fan

or he could have just won 1 or 2 of the 26 games he lost.

Thinking that Bernier would have saved the leafs is such a silly notion I can't believe it.
- Pecafan Fan

No it isn't. You know it and I know it.

Now WOULD he have saved the Leafs... maybe, maybe not. COULD he have... damn good chance.

save the leafs = miss the playoffs by 1 point instead of 3
- Pecafan Fan

At what point in the season did the leafs have one of the top tandems in the league...midway?

Listen, even you guys as Hab fans will admit that even though your D had never been up to par, Carey Price steps up to the plate, masks the problem, and leads them to the dance.

All I'm trying to say is that even though the Leafs suck, Bernier can do that whereas Reimer simply cannot.
- Not_Stee

The Habs, unlike last year, didn't poop the bed leading to the playoffs. The leafs? Not so much.

Listen, even you guys as Hab fans will admit that even though your D had never been up to par, Carey Price steps up to the plate, masks the problem, and leads them to the dance.

All I'm trying to say is that even though the Leafs suck, Bernier can do that whereas Reimer simply cannot.
- Not_Stee

no one is denying Bernier's ability to steal a game here and there. what's being debated is that, as is typically the case with a Toronto Maple Leaf, he played some good hockey this season and he's been built up into a star even though most of his numbers are pretty average. it was the exact same situation with Reimer, who is about to be run out of town a year later.

Let's look at it this way...

Typical Bernier outing = 2 goals given up on 49 shots, Leafs lose 2-1.

Typical Reimer outing = 4 goals given up on 29 shots, Leafs lose 4-3.

What happens when you put Bernier in Reimer's situations?
- Not_Stee

Leafs still lose...

At what point in the season did the leafs have one of the top tandems in the league...midway?
- Pie

This is on three people...

Nonis = Should have traded Reimer from the get-go when he had value and would have avoided this whole mess.

Randy = Should have stuck with the 1A/1B tandem.

Reimer = Should have stayed professional and not drag the team down to spite the coach because the little girl's feelings were hurt.

This is on three people...

Nonis = Should have traded Reimer from the get-go when he had value and would have avoided this whole mess.

Randy = Should have stuck with the 1A/1B tandem.

Reimer = Should have stayed professional and not drag the team down to spite the coach because the little girl's feelings were hurt.
- Not_Stee

WTF????

no one is denying Bernier's ability to steal a game here and there. what's being debated is that, as is typically the case with a Toronto Maple Leaf, he played some good hockey this season and he's been built up into a star even though most of his numbers are pretty average. it was the exact same situation with Reimer, who is about to be run out of town a year later.
- DoubleDown

Agreed. Although I think Bernier's number are a little above average.

WTF????
- Pecafan Fan

It sure in Hell looks like that to me.

Bernier equals Price?
- Pie

He was Roy earlier this season.

Agreed. Although I think Bernier's number are a little above average.
- Not_Stee

A goalie sv% gets inflated quite a bit when he faces 40+ shots every night.

Good luck Rayven! We will see you on the other side.

Agreed. Although I think Bernier's number are a little above average.
- Not_Stee

his save % is for sure. but his W-L record and GAA are not good. obviously the Leafs terrible D is responsible for some of that. but before this guy's head is fitted for his HOF bust, let's remember that his numbers from this year very closely resemble Devan Dubnyk's from last year.

This is on three people...

Nonis = Should have traded Reimer from the get-go when he had value and would have avoided this whole mess.

Randy = Should have stuck with the 1A/1B tandem.

Reimer = Should have stayed professional and not drag the team down to spite the coach because the little girl's feelings were hurt.
- Not_Stee

Did you know that 13.6% of Toronto's penalties were taken by Phaneuf

A goalie sv% gets inflated quite a bit when he faces 40+ shots every night.
- Pecafan Fan

bang.

Did you know that 13.6% of Toronto's penalties were taken by Phaneuf
- Pie

(frank)in refs