- QuebecPride

well done

Gotta say, he did well with what everyone agreed to be an average group.
- Habsody

i think that's a bit bullpoop. there's talent on this team. Price, Subban, Markov, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Plekanec, Galchenyuk, Gallagher. we can also include Vanek because he was a big part of the team's push to make the playoffs. it's not like he's squeezed 93 points out of the Jets roster.

this is not to criticize Therrien but i think dismissing the team's talent is shortsighted.

The tampa game was a fluke but they played so well previously that they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Let's see what they do tonight and, more importantly, tomorrow against Detroit who is God's favourite team. Will be divine.
- Habsody

they were sloppy in their wins at Detroit and Florida. hopefully the Tampa game got them to recalibrate a bit.

they were sloppy in their wins at Detroit and Florida. hopefully the Tampa game got them to recalibrate a bit.
- DoubleDown

I would say their D and transition game were sloppy but they still scored 9 goals during those games.

i think that's a bit bullpoop. there's talent on this team. Price, Subban, Markov, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Plekanec, Galchenyuk, Gallagher. we can also include Vanek because he was a big part of the team's push to make the playoffs. it's not like he's squeezed 93 points out of the Jets roster.

this is not to criticize Therrien but i think dismissing the team's talent is shortsighted.
- DoubleDown

Oh i don't undervalue this team, fact is everyone was quite cynical about this team early in the season. I would even say until the olympic break. But now that they clinched a playoff spot, we tend to agree that they are in fact a good team. Yet, MT got very little credit since the begin of the season. He hasn't been perfect and made mistakes here and there but took some gambles that paid off (with Budaj particularly). People want to see more of Beaulieu and Tinordi but with 5 games to play before the PO, he needs his vets to be ready. You just can't throw rookies in at this time of the year.

Oh i don't undervalue this team, fact is everyone was quite cynical about this team early in the season. I would even say until the olympic break. But now that they clinched a playoff spot, we tend to agree that they are in fact a good team. Yet, MT got very little credit since the begin of the season. He hasn't been perfect and made mistakes here and there but took some gambles that paid off (with Budaj particularly). People want to see more of Beaulieu and Tinordi but with 5 games to play before the PO, he needs his vets to be ready. You just can't throw rookies in at this time of the year.
- Habsody

i'd say he's gotten what he should out of this team. maybe a bit more, depending of they reach 98-100 points. but i also think that the fact that Tinordi and Beaulieu are still behind guys like Bouillon and Murray on the depth chart is partially his fault.

i'd say he's gotten what he should out of this team. maybe a bit more, depending of they reach 98-100 points. but i also think that the fact that Tinordi and Beaulieu are still behind guys like Bouillon and Murray on the depth chart is partially his fault.
- DoubleDown

I hope that changes next year.

I hope that changes next year.
- BashCH

i wouldn't be shocked to see one of them traded in the offseason.

i wouldn't be shocked to see one of them traded in the offseason.
- DoubleDown

for who?

i wouldn't be shocked to see one of them traded in the offseason.
- DoubleDown

That would still suck, not like this team doesn't need help on defense. And I think both those players have good potential.

for who?
- BingoLady

Crosby

for who?
- BingoLady

no clue. i just don't know if there's room for 2 young dmen. Bergevin/Therrien put a major premium on dmen with a lot of experience.

That would still suck, not like this team doesn't need help on defense. And I think both those players have good potential.
- BashCH

yeah. if they do end up dealing one i hope it's not Beaulieu. i think he's easily going to be a top-4 guy.

no clue. i just don't know if there's room for 2 young dmen. Bergevin/Therrien put a major premium on dmen with a lot of experience.
- DoubleDown

Pateryn is gonna be decent too.

That would still suck, not like this team doesn't need help on defense. And I think both those players have good potential.
- BashCH

Honestly, i think you can have a good value out of Beaulieu in a trade. He has high-end offensive skills but he is by no mean a Mcdonagh-Subban type of dman. Tinordi is a keeper and i would entertain a competition between him and Pateryn, who has been rock solid in Hamilton this year. He also did pretty well offensively.

If Bergevin and Therrien want some complementary offense from the back end i could see a guy like Gilbert as a 3rd pairing come in at a pretty friendly cap hit.

no clue. i just don't know if there's room for 2 young dmen. Bergevin/Therrien put a major premium on dmen with a lot of experience.
- DoubleDown

If they FIRE THERRIEN does the team still have that same philosophy?

no clue. i just don't know if there's room for 2 young dmen. Bergevin/Therrien put a major premium on dmen with a lot of experience.
- DoubleDown

I would say that's the case of pretty much any playoff team.

- stinger67

I would say that's the case to pretty much any playoff team.
- Habsody

too many teams make the playoffs for that type of thinking, that should be reserved for the 4-5 teams that actually have a shot at winning the cup

I would say that's the case of pretty much any playoff team.
- Habsody

i understand that. it's why i don't expect to see Bergevin take dmen high in the draft. but the first round picks in Tinordi and Beaulieu have already been invested, as have a few years of development. so at some point, they'll need to be given a real opportunity, not just "make one mistake and you're not playing the next 3 games". but it's too late in the season for that now IMO. the chance to get either of them ready for playoff action has come and gone.

too many teams make the playoffs for that type of thinking, that should be reserved for the 4-5 teams that actually have a shot at winning the cup
- hamiltonhabfan

If you want to develop those kids they need to play. I really don't see the point in playing guys that are borderline NHL players over young guys that could be very good in the near future.

If you want to develop those kids they need to play. I really don't see the point in playing guys that are borderline NHL players over young guys that could be very good in the near future.
- BashCH

I think the habs were probably just caught short.

started the season thinking they'd be a borderline team, don't want to lose points early, end up waiting too long then you get closer to the playoffs and you don't want to lose position and in the playoffs you go with the vets.

I think the habs were probably just caught short.

started the season thinking they'd be a borderline team, don't want to lose points early, end up waiting too long then you get closer to the playoffs and you don't want to lose position and in the playoffs you go with the vets.
- dt99999

Beaulieu/Tinordi haven't played any worse than the vets so far this year IMO.

If you want to develop those kids they need to play. I really don't see the point in playing guys that are borderline NHL players over young guys that could be very good in the near future.
- BashCH

yup exactly my point even if dressing Tinorid and Bealieu over Murray and Franky (frank)ing B means missing out on the playoffs for 2 years, to make the D one of the tops in the league 3 years down the road its well worth it

Beaulieu/Tinordi haven't played any worse than the vets so far this year IMO.
- BashCH

I agree.