AlexF
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Location: Whistler, BC Joined: 06.25.2011
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why bring jason botchford into the conversation, he is by and large IMO a negative on the team even when the team is going good. always being critical of the team without ever pointing out what is going well with the team. how the media in vancouver can consider themselves impartial when they are always being critical with a negative slant and never looking at any positives as a counter point is mind boggling... - kaptaan
He didn't bring up Botchford, only used the term "botched" as in "screwed up" but nice rant all the same. |
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LeftCoaster
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Location: Valley Of The Sun Joined: 07.03.2009
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Only 17 players, thus far, have scored 30 or more goals this year.
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4ofaKind
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Location: Campbell River Joined: 11.30.2013
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Only 17 players, thus far, have scored 30 or more goals this year. - LeftCoaster
I remember when Bure was lighting it up way back, there was like 8 or 9 50 goal scorers |
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Whiskey-Tango
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Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC Joined: 12.10.2011
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Only 17 players, thus far, have scored 30 or more goals this year. - LeftCoaster
Yep, seems as though we are slowly returning to the mid 90s early 2000s era trap game...
It seems more teams are scrambling to model themselves after the Boston's and L.A's of the league, which is odd seeing as how the puck possession/transition teams of Chicago, Pittsburgh and Detroit have largely been more effective |
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Makita
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Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC Joined: 02.16.2007
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I remember when Bure was lighting it up way back, there was like 8 or 9 50 goal scorers - 4ofaKind
Bettman has total screwed the old nhl, there are some that like the changes,....but i prefered the old ways, no shanaban, no shoot out spectacle, Stevens laying out Lindros with no second look from the officals, todays hockey seems boring. |
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AlexF
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Whistler, BC Joined: 06.25.2011
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Yep, seems as though we are slowly returning to the mid 90s early 2000s era trap game...
It seems more teams are scrambling to model themselves after the Boston's and L.A's of the league, which is odd seeing as how the puck possession/transition teams of Chicago, Pittsburgh and Detroit have largely been more effective - Whiskey-Tango
With the speed, size, and strength of the modern player it's too easy on NHL-sized rinks to impede teams that want to play an uptempo, attack-minded style. It also seems to reward role players with size over the more artistic, skilled players that can't deal with the goons of the modern NHL. The worst part of it is when the league seeks to reward coaches that employ such dreary systems with coach of the year nominations because, you know, "defense wins championships." |
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AlexF
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Whistler, BC Joined: 06.25.2011
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Jim_Robson
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Location: GillisDestroyedOurTeam, BC Joined: 04.02.2014
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Chest Rockwell
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Location: White Rock, BC Joined: 08.31.2007
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Senators lost. - 4ofaKind
Don't worry they still have a game in hand. |
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LeftCoaster
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Location: Valley Of The Sun Joined: 07.03.2009
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With the speed, size, and strength of the modern player it's too easy on NHL-sized rinks to impede teams that want to play an uptempo, attack-minded style. It also seems to reward role players with size over the more artistic, skilled players that can't deal with the goons of the modern NHL. The worst part of it is when the league seeks to reward coaches that employ such dreary systems with coach of the year nominations because, you know, "defense wins championships." - AlexF
Boring ass hockey. |
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Zogg
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Joined: 09.16.2005
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Boring ass hockey. - thundachunk
With all due respect to Devil's fans, the height of the 'dead puck' era (aka "The New Jersey Years") was the personification of pure evil
Edit: and made me think about switching to premier league bocci, or full contact darts, or nekkid filipina wrestling ...................which I still follow, yes |
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AlexF
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Whistler, BC Joined: 06.25.2011
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With all due respect to Devil's fans, the height of the 'dead puck' era (aka "The New Jersey Years") was the personification of pure evil
Edit: and made me think about switching to premier league bocci, or full contact darts - Zogg
Interesting passage I read on the same topic:
"...the scoring average numbers argue that the NHL is either a) basically right back in the Dead Puck Era or b) close enough that someone, somewhere should probably be worried.
IGNORING THE RED FLAG
Sadly, the NHL’s priorities seem to revolve around tiny changes instead of big ones.
From an executive standpoint, I get it, at least as much as I can stomach such thought processes. The league thinks that a broken system that barely distinguishes a regulation/overtime win from a shootout win (tiebreakers!) helps foster parity, which spreads the wealth. I’d argue that 1) the salary cap breeds parity in itself, as you can see in every sport except maybe the NBA that has a salary cap and 2) that mediocre teams would do better at the box office if they were mediocre and exciting instead of mediocre and boring. Still, that’s just not how these people think, as we’ve clearly seen from their unchanging actions except when the survival of the sport was literally on the line.
Anyway, enough venom spewing, but the bottom line is that a perfect storm of sadness is killing scoring: a lack of incentive to be aggressive, the feeling that there aren’t many ways to skin the hockey cat beyond bland/conservative hockey, the year-to-year decline of referees using their freaking whistles, the fact that coaches are more comfortable with killing offense than nurturing it and finally, the mammoth size of goalie pads and the never-changing size of nets.
To me, it causes something of a trickle up theory for offense: legends become greats, greats become very good players and good players slip closer to average.
It’s awful news if you enjoy watching more than just your favorite team play hockey … but again, it could be a good thing for regular Dose readers."
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...blems-100100381--nhl.html |
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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!" Joined: 03.09.2006
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Interesting passage I read on the same topic:
"...the scoring average numbers argue that the NHL is either a) basically right back in the Dead Puck Era or b) close enough that someone, somewhere should probably be worried.
IGNORING THE RED FLAG
Sadly, the NHL’s priorities seem to revolve around tiny changes instead of big ones.
From an executive standpoint, I get it, at least as much as I can stomach such thought processes. The league thinks that a broken system that barely distinguishes a regulation/overtime win from a shootout win (tiebreakers!) helps foster parity, which spreads the wealth. I’d argue that 1) the salary cap breeds parity in itself, as you can see in every sport except maybe the NBA that has a salary cap and 2) that mediocre teams would do better at the box office if they were mediocre and exciting instead of mediocre and boring. Still, that’s just not how these people think, as we’ve clearly seen from their unchanging actions except when the survival of the sport was literally on the line.
Anyway, enough venom spewing, but the bottom line is that a perfect storm of sadness is killing scoring: a lack of incentive to be aggressive, the feeling that there aren’t many ways to skin the hockey cat beyond bland/conservative hockey, the year-to-year decline of referees using their freaking whistles, the fact that coaches are more comfortable with killing offense than nurturing it and finally, the mammoth size of goalie pads and the never-changing size of nets.
To me, it causes something of a trickle up theory for offense: legends become greats, greats become very good players and good players slip closer to average.
It’s awful news if you enjoy watching more than just your favorite team play hockey … but again, it could be a good thing for regular Dose readers."
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...blems-100100381--nhl.html - AlexF
Part of the problem is that what can you do to fix that? You can't really legislate against defensive schemes that are successful. It would help to have some of these retread defensively-minded coaches like Torts, AV, Ruff, Wilson, Julien and all not get second chances with different teams and encourage the development of offensively minded HCs. It also would help if you take away most of the padding the goalies wear and have them wear no more equipment then everyone else does (maybe slightly harder pads to deal with all the shots) so that it's impossible for them to cover much of the net as they do now.
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AlexF
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Whistler, BC Joined: 06.25.2011
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LMAO, this is the Red Wing team that beat the red-hot Bruins tonight. If this is not a well run organization I don't know what is.
RED WINGS
Franzen - Legwand - Nyquist
Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco
Andersson - Helm - Abdelkader
Miller - Glendening - Bertuzzi
Kronwall - Smith
Quincey - DeKeyser
Kindl - Lashoff
Jimmy Howard (starting)
Jonas Gustavsson
Injuries: Ericsson, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Weiss, Samuelsson, Alfredsson |
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Zogg
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 09.16.2005
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Interesting passage I read on the same topic:
"...the scoring average numbers argue that the NHL is either a) basically right back in the Dead Puck Era or b) close enough that someone, somewhere should probably be worried.
IGNORING THE RED FLAG
Sadly, the NHL’s priorities seem to revolve around tiny changes instead of big ones.
From an executive standpoint, I get it, at least as much as I can stomach such thought processes. The league thinks that a broken system that barely distinguishes a regulation/overtime win from a shootout win (tiebreakers!) helps foster parity, which spreads the wealth. I’d argue that 1) the salary cap breeds parity in itself, as you can see in every sport except maybe the NBA that has a salary cap and 2) that mediocre teams would do better at the box office if they were mediocre and exciting instead of mediocre and boring. Still, that’s just not how these people think, as we’ve clearly seen from their unchanging actions except when the survival of the sport was literally on the line.
Anyway, enough venom spewing, but the bottom line is that a perfect storm of sadness is killing scoring: a lack of incentive to be aggressive, the feeling that there aren’t many ways to skin the hockey cat beyond bland/conservative hockey, the year-to-year decline of referees using their freaking whistles, the fact that coaches are more comfortable with killing offense than nurturing it and finally, the mammoth size of goalie pads and the never-changing size of nets.
To me, it causes something of a trickle up theory for offense: legends become greats, greats become very good players and good players slip closer to average.
It’s awful news if you enjoy watching more than just your favorite team play hockey … but again, it could be a good thing for regular Dose readers."
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...blems-100100381--nhl.html - AlexF
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Zogg
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 09.16.2005
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LMAO, this is the Red Wing team that beat the red-hot Bruins tonight. If this is not a well run organization I don't know what is.
RED WINGS
Franzen - Legwand - Nyquist
Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco
Andersson - Helm - Abdelkader
Miller - Glendening - Bertuzzi
Kronwall - Smith
Quincey - DeKeyser
Kindl - Lashoff
Jimmy Howard (starting)
Jonas Gustavsson
Injuries: Ericsson, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Weiss, Samuelsson, Alfredsson - AlexF
I just happened to come across this fact - Nyquist was drafted 121st overall
... and when you take a further look at precisely where many of Detroit's young (and current) talent was drafted, you just have to shake your @##$ head. Case in point, I think their highest pick the last ten years has been Jakub Kindl at number 19 in 2005. And yet, between then and now, they continue to unearth hidden gems in the later rounds which make other managers/teams drool. Just @#$#@$ incredible.
Mr Holland, have we told you lately just how beautiful Vancouver is? |
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Part of the problem is that what can you do to fix that? You can't really legislate against defensive schemes that are successful. It would help to have some of these retread defensively-minded coaches like Torts, AV, Ruff, Wilson, Julien and all not get second chances with different teams and encourage the development of offensively minded HCs. It also would help if you take away most of the padding the goalies wear and have them wear no more equipment then everyone else does (maybe slightly harder pads to deal with all the shots) so that it's impossible for them to cover much of the net as they do now. - DariusKnight
If you want more scoring, put Healy back in goal, in fact once all the CBC guys are out of work put them all in goal. Players would be salivating about crashing the net knowing that Glenn or PJ are between the pipes. |
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Is it drafting or developing? - A_SteamingLombardi
A bit of both, they have the patience to let players develop at their own pace
Also, Hakan Andersson is a genius... best scout in the game probably. Has detroit ever unearthed a non Euro player? It does involve a bit of luck.. but it is also no coincidence. Canucks need better overall scouting |
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Is it drafting or developing? - A_SteamingLombardi
Mostly drafting IMO. Smart talent evaluators understand that hockey/football/(etc.) IQ is what it is. Any other shortcoming can be developed. The Red Wings stack their system with guys who have a higher probability of panning out because they think the game on an elite level (regardless of their physical/situational shortcomings at draft time).
Poor talent evaluators overemphasize measurables and look at stats without considering role/scheme/linemates/opportunity/coaching... |
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boonerbuck
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Location: Not Quesnel, BC Joined: 10.11.2005
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I don't see it that way at all. I've got a number of gripes with this organization of late but how they develop their goalies isn't one of them.
Lack: This season is done. He's currently penciled in as our starter next season but we really aren't sure if he can handle the workload or whether a vet needs to be signed this summer to spot him 20-30 games. Playing Lack heavy down the stretch is the best way to find out.
Markstrom: Clearly something happened between being one of the world's elite goalie prospects to how he ended up in Florida. Rollie Melanson has done great things with our guys and the best thing to do at this juncture to salvage your prospect is give him as much time as you can afford away from the games and with Melanson - in this case the rest of the season and summer - rather than start him against Anaheim (as Carol suggested) and let him burn.
If they deem that Lack can handle the heaviest load then including a hopefully rejuvenated Markstrom into the tandem next year (there is no tandem at present) should pay off. Bottom line is we won't know what we have in Markstrom until the development work is done. Playing him in 1 or 2 games behind a demoralized team won't change that. - AlexF
Theres not really much Lack can do in so little time left to prove he can start a season as the #1 and carry a team into the playoffs and onward. Remember, this will be him starting a season with the team on his shoulders and conscious.... brand new pressure. This team will need a veteran or seriously risk screwing up another season. Can Markstrom carry a team while Lack is injured or slumping? Really, its another paint yourself into a corner situation for management and developing Lack in a counter productive manner is the last thing they want to do right now. If that is Gillis' plan moving forward, all that business about always having two number 1's on standby while their value turned into so little just shows how much he contradicts himself.
Markstrom needs to be waived so this looks like a hand grenade already. If they need to bring in help for Lack, Markstrom gets traded I guess.
I've already seen Canuck fan's desires to see us tank next season as well so they will say its a win win. |
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boonerbuck
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Location: Not Quesnel, BC Joined: 10.11.2005
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Gonna have to waive Markstrom then(he'd get claimed IMO). Or roll with 3 goalies( ) - Nucker101
That looks like horrible managing doing that. We go from having two proven number 1's to no #1's and how serious does their effort of making the playoffs look to season ticket holders? Lets be the Oilers why dont we.... |
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I'd be happy with teravainen shaw and a 1st next year. Can pick up another LHD and Top 6 forward and a pick for Edler. - Chest Rockwell
you think any team is gonna dish up a top 6 forward, d-man and a pick for a guy who is terrible defensively and doesnt even put up a lot of points anymore?
My guess is that Edler would be lucky to bring in a 2nd and mediocre prospect from a team like Carolina or New Jersey |
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