No overvaluing Markstrom. If packaged properly that pick could be had. Buff has a ton of picks this year and would be willing to trade 1 of the top 5 picks. Markstrom, Our 1st (top 10) for NYI 1st (top 5) or Markstom, Hansen, 1st and 3rd for Buff 1st overall. Yes NYI has some good goalie prospects but you are forgetting the Snow factor.
- Linden_4_Capt

If Markstrom was that highly sought after, he would still be in Florida.

No way either of those situations pan out. If Buffalo is trading the 1st overall, they're getting much better offers than that. Markstrom's value is at an all time low right now. Hansen doesn't bring much nor does the 3rd.

Listening to MG on the TEAM this morning, he sounds pretty high on Markstrom. It also sounds like Torts is probably going to get canned if Gillis has his way. MG wants to get back to an up tempo, puck possession type game that better suits our personal. i don't think Torts is capable of that.

As for Radim Vrbata, I don't think he would fit into the direction on size and youth that MG wants to go.
- Chest Rockwell

He was also high on Lou and Schnieds. Point is if given the opp to move up in draft to top 5(consensus is this is where the crème of the crop is this year MG will do the trade.)

Vbrada, is only 31 and has size. 6'1" and 195lbs and is a goal scorer. He has 5 season of 20+ goals in Pheonix for crying out loud. This is a tam that made Brz look like Martin Brodeur. Any player that can do that in the defense first team that plays with cast offs from other teams and still scores on a consistent basis is golden. At 6mil/for 6 years is a good deal for him. He will double his money. Plus he is a RHS. We are now playing burrows (LHS)on the right wit the Sedins.

The more I hear Gillis talk about Torts, the he is a proven winner sort of comments the more I see him being gone before Gillis. Gillis' last comment was the puck possession stuff, I was hoping Pratt or Jake would have asked if Torts could coach that way before it was over but I guess they suck and were running late for a commercial

IIRC, during one of Gillis' interviews on the radio a while back he said something about the players all being professionals and should be able to play Torts' system. Now it sounds like Gillis really doesn't like Torts' system
- hillbillydeluxe

I was actually surprised by that interview. Usually the TEAM lobs softball questions and doesn't have follow up questions on MG responses, especially the afternoon show. This time they really pressed him to clarify his typical legalese repsonses. I think MG will can Torts, Trade Kesler and possibly Edler if FA lets him run the team they way he wants too. If not, MG may just say (frank) it and pressure FA to fire him.

If Markstrom was that highly sought after, he would still be in Florida.

No way either of those situations pan out. If Buffalo is trading the 1st overall, they're getting much better offers than that. Markstrom's value is at an all time low right now. Hansen doesn't bring much nor does the 3rd.
- Canuckleafer

Or at the very least, starting games with us

If the team views him as a movable asset, I'd assume we'd be attempting to showcase his talents.

No overvaluing Markstrom. If packaged properly that pick could be had. Buff has a ton of picks this year and would be willing to trade 1 of the top 5 picks. Markstrom, Our 1st (top 10) for NYI 1st (top 5) or Markstom, Hansen, 1st and 3rd for Buff 1st overall. Yes NYI has some good goalie prospects but you are forgetting the Snow factor.
- Linden_4_Capt

Ok you're changing the deal. Markstrom for #5 pick would never fly. Markstrom + #10 pick for #5 pick might be closer to the possible but I still think it's short, unless BUF scouts are super high on him. Buffalo acquired all those picks for a reason - they are rebuilding. They might not want to give up those picks unless presented with strong offers.

NYI sound like they are up for sale for $225m. If that's the case I can't imagine Snow getting an executive job anywhere in the NHL after Wang is out of the picture.

He was also high on Lou and Schnieds. Point is if given the opp to move up in draft to top 5(consensus is this is where the crème of the crop is this year MG will do the trade.)

Vbrada, is only 31 and has size. 6'1" and 195lbs and is a goal scorer. He has 5 season of 20+ goals in Pheonix for crying out loud. This is a tam that made Brz look like Martin Brodeur. Any player that can do that in the defense first team that plays with cast offs from other teams and still scores on a consistent basis is golden. At 6mil/for 6 years is a good deal for him. He will double his money. Plus he is a RHS. We are now playing burrows (LHS)on the right wit the Sedins.

- Linden_4_Capt

I'm not sure if you're a troll or not, so i'll try to be gentle. That being said, there are so many flaws in your logic. First off he's 32 and will be 33 by the time free agency rolls around (D.O.B: June 13, 1981)

$6m/6year contract . I'd rather offer Callahan a $7m/7year contract if we are going to throw that kind of money around. He's 3 years younger.

As for the RHS experiment, since when has that really work for the Sedins? Bernier was a RHS and he was a bust, Burrows has scored over 30 on that line numeous time. If a RHS is such a big issue; why pay Vrbata $6m a year when we can pay Kassian $2m to do the same thing?

Or at the very least, starting games with us

If the team views him as a movable asset, I'd assume we'd be attempting to showcase his talents.
- Whiskey-Tango

I commented on this yesterday. At this point I'm almost positive they've made the conscious decision to shut down Markstrom for the season to give him a good chunk of time with Melanson before camp. Something went astray in his development at Florida and I'm guessing the Canuck brass still feel he's an asset worth investing time into.

Or at the very least, starting games with us

If the team views him as a movable asset, I'd assume we'd be attempting to showcase his talents.
- Whiskey-Tango

He will be showcased now. This was a struggle between 2 guys trying to keep their jobs. Torts is trying to win, if that means starting lack for 18 game straight then so be it. Gillis wants to build and showcase Markstrom. Trust Markstrom will get starts from here on out. There is no coincidence that MG is talking highly about Markstrom now. He is publicly putting pressure on torts to start him. There is no way Gillis is going to go with Lack and Markstrom as the pair next year when we have Erikson in the wings. Mark my words, there will be a veteran goalie to Backup Lack Next year. I would not be surprised if he tries to get Giguire, Greiss, to backup Lack. Or to get Elliot to split duties with lack.

I'm not sure if you're a troll or not, so i'll try to be gentle. That being said, there are so many flaws in your logic. First off he's 32 and will be 33 by the time free agency rolls around (D.O.B: June 13, 1981)

$6m/6year contract . I'd rather offer Callahan a $7m/7year contract if we are going to throw that kind of money around. He's 3 years younger.

As for the RHS experiment, since when has that really work for the Sedins? Bernier was a RHS and he was a bust, Burrows has scored over 30 on that line numeous time. If a RHS is such a big issue; why pay Vrbata $6m a year when we can pay Kassian $2m to do the same thing?
- Chest Rockwell

Not a troll. Okay so I fudged my numbers a little to sell Vbrada. But I still think he can do wonders. The point you gave about Burrows is good however it is proven that Burrows without the Sedins is a very expensive 3rd line checker with NTC. Vbrada scored 20+ goals working with talent equivalent of Santorelli. No offence to Santo but he is no Hank. After Vanek at 8-9mil per season, Moulson at 6-7mil Vbrada will be a steal at 6mil. Shorten the term if you think that is better. Kassian as much as I love him, he is not a fist line winger yet. Maybe in another 2-3 years. Kassian needs to understand his role properly first. Between AV and Torts, Kassian's development is pushed out another 2 years. You cannot have 2 polar opposite HC in the development years of players.

Just listened to the GMMG interview....hmmmmm?

Just listened to the GMMG interview....hmmmmm?
- LeftCoaster

Link?

I commented on this yesterday. At this point I'm almost positive they've made the conscious decision to shut down Markstrom for the season to give him a good chunk of time with Melanson before camp. Something went astray in his development at Florida and I'm guessing the Canuck brass still feel he's an asset worth investing time into.
- AlexF

So you are saying that we will have Lack and Markstrom as out tandem next year and contend? I am saying this will not happen. Here is why. MG is on the fence. He fires Torts and sticks with the Tendem MG is gone because Canucks will not make the playoffs. MG keeps Torts, MG will be fired by Dec because Canucks will be competing with Edm and Buff for the 1st overall pick. Here is how I see this playing out. MG fires Torts and gets an offense first Coach. Kesler is going nowhere. He signs or trades for a top sniper to play with either Kesler or Hank and gets a proper goalie for backup or split.

Link?
- thundachunk

http://www.teamradio.ca/

Just listened to the GMMG interview....hmmmmm?
- LeftCoaster

Summary, please.
Cheers.

http://www.teamradio.ca/
- LeftCoaster

Wow indeed. That last minute sounded like Torts firing press conference.

Just listened to the GMMG interview....hmmmmm?
- LeftCoaster

Summary, please.
Cheers.

Edit: Sorry for yelling.

So you are saying that we will have Lack and Markstrom as out tandem next year and contend? I am saying this will not happen. Here is why. MG is on the fence. He fires Torts and sticks with the Tendem MG is gone because Canucks will not make the playoffs. MG keeps Torts, MG will be fired by Dec because Canucks will be competing with Edm and Buff for the 1st overall pick. Here is how I see this playing out. MG fires Torts and gets an offense first Coach. Kesler is going nowhere. He signs or trades for a top sniper to play with either Kesler or Hank and gets a proper goalie for backup or split.
- Linden_4_Capt

Lots of speculation for this off season. On the Lack subject the kid is an NHL starter imo. Markstrom not so much. Lack can be a top goalie in the league in the future on this club. Kid will be great. Moving on...

If you think this team is going to be a playoff team next year in the state we are in you have a pretty positive outlook. I always want to see my team win but smart money is on proper rebuild. Does MG get another chance to do it? I don't know. Does Torts get another chance? I hope not. Not that I dislike the guy. His defensive shot blocking style is archaic in today's league. I can deal with losing when we try but add boring "Devil era" hockey no scoring, stupid defensive plays that lead to so many scoring chances against us is the main reason we are the worst team in 2014. Other poor teams have improved as the season has progressed while we have gotten progressively worse.

When AV was finally gone I hoped that this team would become an offensive team and bring in a offensive minded coach.This did not happen. We were more or less slapped in the face by bringing in an even more defensive minded coaching system. Imo one of the biggest mistakes MG has made hiring Torts. Something has to give here. Torts for sure has to go. If Torts was MG's choice it could be the straw that broke the camels back.

http://www.teamradio.ca/
- LeftCoaster

Thanks Dude.

Summary, please.
Cheers.
- Marwood

I will summarize the last minute for you.

He wants to play upbeat puck possession game. If the personal they have do not believe in that system then he will make the tough choices and change the personal. He believes he has the team to play the style he wants....read between the lines.

Lots of speculation for this off season. On the Lack subject the kid is an NHL starter imo. Markstrom not so much. Lack can be a top goalie in the league in the future on this club. Kid will be great. Moving on...

If you think this team is going to be a playoff team next year in the state we are in you have a pretty positive outlook. I always want to see my team win but smart money is on proper rebuild. Does MG get another chance to do it? I don't know. Does Torts get another chance? I hope not. Not that I dislike the guy. His defensive shot blocking style is archaic in today's league. I can deal with losing when we try but add boring "Devil era" hockey no scoring, stupid defensive plays that lead to so many scoring chances against us is the main reason we are the worst team in 2014. Other poor teams have improved as the season has progressed while we have gotten progressively worse.
When AV was finally gone I hoped that this team would become an offensive team and bring in a offensive minded coach.This did not happen. We were more or less slapped in the face by bringing in an even more defensive minded coaching system. Imo one of the biggest mistakes MG has made hiring Torts. Something has to give here. Torts for sure has to go. If Torts was MG's choice it could be the straw that broke the camels back.
- thundachunk

Think of this differently. If they get an offensive minded coach and a true sniper. By Vantels logic we will have the perfect top 2 lines.

Burrows(poop disturber) Hank(passer) Jensen (Scorer)
Vbrada Kesler Kassian
Santo Mathias Kassian
Higgins Richardson Sestito

Offensive minded coach will use the D we have that can skate and score. This team will make the playoffs.

Think of this differently. If they get an offensive minded coach and a true sniper. By Vantels logic we will have the perfect top 2 lines.

Burrows(poop disturber) Hank(passer) Jensen (Scorer)
Vbrada Kesler Kassian
Santo Mathias Kassian
Higgins Richardson Sestito

Offensive minded coach will use the D we have that can skate and score. This team will make the playoffs.
- Linden_4_Capt

How many minute does Kassian play a game in that line-up?

Think of this differently. If they get an offensive minded coach and a true sniper. By Vantels logic we will have the perfect top 2 lines.

Burrows(poop disturber) Hank(passer) Jensen (Scorer)
Vbrada Kesler Kassian
Santo Mathias Kassian
Higgins Richardson Sestito

Offensive minded coach will use the D we have that can skate and score. This team will make the playoffs.
- Linden_4_Capt

We should put Kassian on all 4 lines. I wouldn't call Vrbata a true sniper. I'd say Vanek falls more into that category.

How many minute does Kassian play a game in that line-up?
- 89_hockey

Any coach with brains will see that Sedins are the most effective at low 18min mark. Kesler is healthy and effective around the same mark. That means 6 extra mins. Kassian currently plays 12 bump him to 15 and roll all 4 lines.

Any coach with brains will see that Sedins are the most effective at low 18min mark. Kesler is healthy and effective around the same mark. That means 6 extra mins. Kassian currently plays 12 bump him to 15 and roll all 4 lines.
- Linden_4_Capt

My point was Kassian was on the 2nd and 3rd line.

We should put Kassian on all 4 lines. I wouldn't call Vrbata a true sniper. I'd say Vanek falls more into that category.
- Chest Rockwell

2 years $20 million