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People keep pointing at Gillis' comments about changing the way this team plays to a more offensive style when he was first hired. People are forgetting he said they had to change it again after our cup exit..... and now he wants to change it back he's saying yesterday. Full circle guys and this started before Torts.

Theres a lot of selective memory Gillis is counting on people having and it's easy to see it happening right now.
- boonerbuck

I don't see anybody here defending Gillis.
This team is in turmoil. That's on everyone. Gillis, Torts, the players and the owners. It's not one person's fault. The players are under performing. But even if they weren't, this team can not compete with Boston, St Louis, Chicago, LA, etc.
Something's gotta change at every level. They need better players, who are coached better.

Charles Wang
- LeftCoaster

Wang, Ballard, Wirtz, etc.

Wasn't our PP the best in the league by a country mile the first couple yrs brown was here? Bordering on record setting?
- Bieksa#3

Canucks power play ranking:

2009-2010: 6th
2010-2011: 1st
2011-2012: 4th
2012-2013: 22nd
2013-2014: 27th



Canucks penalty kill ranking:

2009-2010: 18th
2010-2011: 3rd
2011-2012: 6th
2012-2013: 8th
2013-2014: 10th

I don't see anybody here defending Gillis.
This team is in turmoil. That's on everyone. Gillis, Torts, the players and the owners. It's not one person's fault. The players are under performing. But even if they weren't, this team can not compete with Boston, St Louis, Chicago, LA, etc.
Something's gotta change at every level. They need better players, who are coached better.
- hankthetank

Your last two sentences we spot on.

Better players
Better Coaching
Better system

This core needs their walking papers , and us fans have to cut the sentimental chords.

I don't see anybody here defending Gillis.
This team is in turmoil. That's on everyone. Gillis, Torts, the players and the owners. It's not one person's fault. The players are under performing. But even if they weren't, this team can not compete with Boston, St Louis, Chicago, LA, etc.
Something's gotta change at every level. They need better players, who are coached better.
- hankthetank

Bang on.

There is many different styles from the one we are currently playing to the one that got us to within a game of the cup. But some seem to not understand this

Canucks power play ranking:


2009-2010: 6th
2010-2011: 1st
2011-2012: 4th
2012-2013: 22nd
2013-2014: 27th
- hankthetank

So one season. Wasn't it something like 24%?

But those first 3 listed yrs are all very good. Hard to argue with that success

Your last two sentences we spot on.

Better players
Better Coaching
Better system

This core needs their walking papers , and us fans have to cut the sentimental chords.
- VANTEL

Easier said than done, hard to move an entire coach with NTC's/NMC's all in one off-season while getting back value. The Cap might not be up to 70-71 million as originally thought and not many players want to go to the teams that don't spend much money because they tend to be bottom feeders. What moves do you suggest that are realistic?

Outside of Kesler and Edler, I don't see any other "core" players being moved this summer.

So one season. Wasn't it something like 24%?

But those first 3 listed yrs are all very good. Hard to argue with that success
- Bieksa#3

24.3%. Next best was San Jose and Anaheim with 23.5%.

So one season. Wasn't it something like 24%?

But those first 3 listed yrs are all very good. Hard to argue with that success
- Bieksa#3

They were the years the Canucks had a lot of speed and were always the first to the puck. They did not give their opponents any breathing room. They hit ,they checked ,they won battles. This group is too old for that.

Easier said than done, hard to move an entire coach with NTC's/NMC's all in one off-season while getting back value. The Cap might not be up to 70-71 million as originally thought and not many players want to go to the teams that don't spend much money because they tend to be bottom feeders. What moves do you suggest that are realistic?

Outside of Kesler and Edler, I don't see any other "core" players being moved this summer.
- Nucker101

It is up to Gillis and FA to find ways ,that is their job.

Easier said than done, hard to move an entire coach with NTC's/NMC's all in one off-season while getting back value. The Cap might not be up to 70-71 million as originally thought and not many players want to go to the teams that don't spend much money because they tend to be bottom feeders. What moves do you suggest that are realistic?

Outside of Kesler and Edler, I don't see any other "core" players being moved this summer.
- Nucker101

Exactly. If u can trade players for a solid return great. But trading them for garbage sends us into an even worse spot

Easier said than done, hard to move an entire coach with NTC's/NMC's all in one off-season while getting back value. The Cap might not be up to 70-71 million as originally thought and not many players want to go to the teams that don't spend much money because they tend to be bottom feeders. What moves do you suggest that are realistic?

Outside of Kesler and Edler, I don't see any other "core" players being moved this summer.
- Nucker101

Definitely easier said than done. And as fans we need to lower our expectations. We were spoiled for a while there, but any long term Canucks fan can tell you that is not the norm for this team.
They've had a couple games this season (the one against LA stands out) where they lost but competed like bastards. If they aren't going to win then hopefully they at least play like that more often.

24.3%. Next best was San Jose and Anaheim with 23.5%.
- hankthetank

Which is quite a ways behind

Exactly. If u can trade players for a solid return great. But trading them for garbage sends us into an even worse spot
- Bieksa#3

It sends us into Mcdavid territory!

Sedins for a 7th rounder.

Wasn't our PP the best in the league by a country mile the first couple yrs brown was here? Bordering on record setting?
- Bieksa#3

Gillis's first year:

in (08/09) the team was 17th in the league at 18.8%.
In (09/10) the team was 6th at 20.9%.
In (10/11) the team was 1st at 24.3%.
In (11/12) the team was 4th at 19.8%.
In (12/13) the team was 22nd at 15.8%
In (13/14) the team is 27th at 14.9%

The major drop-off in 12/13 can be attributed to the players, or lack of. Although a team like San Jose has dropped from 4th-2nd-2nd-7th-17th over the past five years?

Definitely easier said than done. And as fans we need to lower our expectations. We were spoiled for a while there, but any long term Canucks fan can tell you that is not the norm for this team.
They've had a couple games this season (the one against LA stands out) where they lost but competed like bastards. If they aren't going to win then hopefully they at least play like that more often.
- hankthetank

I don't buy that.

Booth has been playing better as of late you are telling me no one would pick up his contract for one year for a 7 th rounder?

Higgins Hansen can't be traded for 7 th rounders or better? I would think many teams would want both of those players and would pay more.

Exactly. If u can trade players for a solid return great. But trading them for garbage sends us into an even worse spot
- Bieksa#3

I think we have one of the worst records in 2014 , how much worse can we get?

Easier said than done, hard to move an entire coach with NTC's/NMC's all in one off-season while getting back value. The Cap might not be up to 70-71 million as originally thought and not many players want to go to the teams that don't spend much money because they tend to be bottom feeders. What moves do you suggest that are realistic?

Outside of Kesler and Edler, I don't see any other "core" players being moved this summer.
- Nucker101

Let's define the "core."

Daniel Sedin: Signed until 2017-2018 @ $7 million per year with a no movement clause. ie: Impossible to move
Henrik Sedin: Signed until 2017-2018 @ $7 million per year with a no movement clause. ie: Impossible to move
Ryan Kesler: Signed until 2015-2016 @ $5 million per year with a no trade clause. Apparently has agreed to waive NTC, could get a nice return.
Alex Burrows: Signed until 2016-2017 @ $4.5 million per year with a no trade clause. Not great trade value right now anyways.
Edler: No trade clause.
Bieksa: No trade clause.
Hamhuis: No trade clause.
Garrison: No trade clause.

Damn it.

Easier said than done, hard to move an entire coach with NTC's/NMC's all in one off-season while getting back value. The Cap might not be up to 70-71 million as originally thought and not many players want to go to the teams that don't spend much money because they tend to be bottom feeders. What moves do you suggest that are realistic?

Outside of Kesler and Edler, I don't see any other "core" players being moved this summer.
- Nucker101

I'm sure he's referring to the Sedins, because he always does lol; but I'm in agreement with you in that you'll see at least three players moved this year. And no not the Sedins Vantel

I think we have one of the worst records in 2014 , how much worse can we get?
- VANTEL

Edm or tor territory. Cripplingly bad forever. Those 2 franchises can only hope for the end of mankind as they will never be competitive

I think we have one of the worst records in 2014 , how much worse can we get?
- VANTEL

Not sure, but it sounds like you might wanna find out.

I think we have one of the worst records in 2014 , how much worse can we get?
- VANTEL

I also don't think they are as bad as they are playing. And I think that has to do with a few things, ie: coaching, injuries.
The fact is that in order to do a rebuild, you have to suck for a while. Unless you're Detroit.

Not sure, but it sounds like you might wanna find out.
- Nucker101

I'm sure he's referring to the Sedins, because he always does lol; but I'm in agreement with you in that you'll see at least three players moved this year. And no not the Sedins Vantel
- LeftCoaster

How bout we keep just one of them