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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Comparing Performances, Who Should Be the Fall Guy?
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VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 4 @ 2:33 PM ET
Glen Gulutzan, let him hire his own assistants.
- Chest Rockwell

Any coach that can develop young players.
Aerchon
Joined: 10.14.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:36 PM ET
When Torts was signed I thought it was a bad move because of his coaching style being so defensive in NY. A friend pointed out that he didn't actually coach that way when he won a cup with the lightning and he could be really good for Van.

I think it safe to say Torts has had a big part in the turn for the worst of the Nucks.

I have no idea why you guys traded Schneider for a such a low draft pick. Solid choice with that pick but years away from being a impact at the NHL and most likely never worth what was given up for him.

Trading Luongo after that goes into the full retard move IMO.

Trying to trade Edler and Kesler is moronic. Those guys are irreplaceable even if they have been playing poorly. I think that is all Torts as well. Trying to get people who want to play his style his way.

If you guys continue to dismantle your team and keep Torts you will be in the McDavid sweepstakes and in for a few years at the bottom of the standings by the looks.

I like the way Van plays. Offense first. Suits the players and is a fun brand of hockey. So I agree with Gillis, but what has been done to this team is obviously also because of his moves.

Turf em both. Keep your players and avoid a rebuild.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 4 @ 2:37 PM ET
Workin' on getting Pete Carroll cloned but there are too many GD hoops to jump through in this country. Maybe one of VANTEL's ladies can recommend a good lab in the Philippines.
- DrChristianTroy

Start with John Schneider, that man is a true "builder".
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 4 @ 2:38 PM ET
Glen Gulutzan, let him hire his own assistants.
- Chest Rockwell

I wouldn't be upset by that.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 4 @ 2:39 PM ET
When Torts was signed I thought it was a bad move because of his coaching style being so defensive in NY. A friend pointed out that he didn't actually coach that way when he won a cup with the lightning and he could be really good for Van.

I think it safe to say Torts has had a big part in the turn for the worst of the Nucks.

I have no idea why you guys traded Schneider for a such a low draft pick. Solid choice with that pick but years away from being a impact at the NHL and most likely never worth what was given up for him.

Trading Luongo after that goes into the full retard move IMO.

Trying to trade Edler and Kesler is moronic. Those guys are irreplaceable even if they have been playing poorly. I think that is all Torts as well. Trying to get people who want to play his style his way.

If you guys continue to dismantle your team and keep Torts you will be in the McDavid sweepstakes and in for a few years at the bottom of the standings by the looks.

I like the way Van plays. Offense first. Suits the players and is a fun brand of hockey. So I agree with Gillis, but what has been done to this team is obviously also because of his moves.

Turf em both. Keep your players and avoid a rebuild.

- Aerchon


do you live in a parallel universe, and what is our record there...
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 4 @ 2:39 PM ET
or even worse, ARE lawyers.
- Chest Rockwell

Now a days this is mostly true.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 4 @ 2:40 PM ET
Start with John Schneider, that man is a true "builder".
- LeftCoaster


2 geniuses.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:40 PM ET
or even worse, ARE lawyers.
- Chest Rockwell


That's a large reason why I don't want Lawrence Gilman as GM (as had been suggested by some). That and he just isn't a great hockey mind.
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Apr 4 @ 2:41 PM ET
So who's the next coach? Does the gong show limit the number of men who'd accept getting into the situation that is the present Vancouver Canucks?
- LeftCoaster

Kevin Dineen. Was an offensive minded player and had shown with team Canada that he can win it all. Took the panthers to the playoffs. Great minor league experience. Ability to develop young players.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 4 @ 2:41 PM ET
do you live in a parallel universe, and what is our record there...
- DrChristianTroy

We have more cups than the Habs.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:43 PM ET
do you live in a parallel universe, and what is our record there...
- DrChristianTroy


Back to back Stanley Cup champs. I just ordered the tee-shirts.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 4 @ 2:43 PM ET
That's a large reason why I don't want Lawrence Gilman as GM (as had been suggested by some). That and he just isn't a great hockey mind.
- AlexF


That would be the hockey equivalent of the Jets hiring John Idzik away from the Hawks. Except, at least Idzik was the cap specialist & understudy of a STUD GM.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 4 @ 2:44 PM ET
When Torts was signed I thought it was a bad move because of his coaching style being so defensive in NY. A friend pointed out that he didn't actually coach that way when he won a cup with the lightning and he could be really good for Van.

I think it safe to say Torts has had a big part in the turn for the worst of the Nucks.

I have no idea why you guys traded Schneider for a such a low draft pick. Solid choice with that pick but years away from being a impact at the NHL and most likely never worth what was given up for him.

Trading Luongo after that goes into the full retard move IMO.

Trying to trade Edler and Kesler is moronic. Those guys are irreplaceable even if they have been playing poorly. I think that is all Torts as well. Trying to get people who want to play his style his way.

If you guys continue to dismantle your team and keep Torts you will be in the McDavid sweepstakes and in for a few years at the bottom of the standings by the looks.

I like the way Van plays. Offense first. Suits the players and is a fun brand of hockey. So I agree with Gillis, but what has been done to this team is obviously also because of his moves.

Turf em both. Keep your players and avoid a rebuild.

- Aerchon

Trading Kesler and Edler is good asset management and is exactly what should happen!!
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 4 @ 2:45 PM ET
Back to back Stanley Cup champs. I just ordered the tee-shirts.
- AlexF


Nice, and I bet our logo is better than the self-fellating whale too.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 4 @ 2:46 PM ET
C for sure, WTF was Gilles thinking bringing in a guy like torts,Van is and was a very high skilled club ,you dont try and turn offensive stars like the twins,kessler,etc into grinders and shot blockers .Its a huge waste of their skill
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:48 PM ET
C for sure, WTF was Gilles thinking bringing in a guy like torts,Van is and was a very high skilled club ,you dont try and turn offensive stars like the twins,kessler,etc into grinders and shot blockers .Its a huge waste of their skill
- top shelf 15


Are you guys about done with Paul Maclean? I think the Orcas would make room for a Walrus behind our bench.
Sashimi23
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 11.15.2006

Apr 4 @ 2:49 PM ET
Just curious, but why do you prefer Torts over MG?



Knowing this site and the fact that many non-Canuck fans will vote, I expect the third choice to be the runaway winner. I'd keep MG unless someone like David McNab can be hired.

- Nucker101


I just think MG has had his chances already and his time is up. If they gave Torts a five year contract then I think he deserves a bit more time and a chance to change his style and see where the team goes. I recall AV was very defensive-minded in his first couple of years and was asked to play more up-temple offensive hockey and that turned into the great 2010-2012 seasons.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Apr 4 @ 2:51 PM ET
That's a large reason why I don't want Lawrence Gilman as GM (as had been suggested by some). That and he just isn't a great hockey mind.
- AlexF



I agree. He is great with numbers and the CBA but I'm not sure how he is a hockey personnel guy.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Apr 4 @ 2:52 PM ET
Trading Kesler and Edler is good asset management and is exactly what should happen!!
- LeftCoaster


Yes. This current roster is stale and past it's prime. It's time for a new era.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 4 @ 2:54 PM ET
Are you guys about done with Paul Maclean? I think the Orcas would make room for a Walrus behind our bench.
- AlexF

You have to take EM with you in any trade
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:55 PM ET
I just think MG has had his chances already and his time is up. If they gave Torts a five year contract then I think he deserves a bit more time and a chance to change his style and see where the team goes. I recall AV was very defensive-minded in his first couple of years and was asked to play more up-temple offensive hockey and that turned into the great 2010-2012 seasons.
- Sashimi23


Because it happened for one guy we can't assume it would happen for everyone else we bring along. Plus I still question how much of a hand AV actually had in this uptempo style that Gillis venerates so much these days. I'm inclined to think the players at his disposal had the more natural inclination of attack-minded hockey and AV simply managed ice time.
digitalbath
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Detroit, MI
Joined: 07.09.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:58 PM ET
Just my opinion, but I don't see how MG trading away 2 starting goalies and getting what he got in return could keep his job.

To me that's way worse than what any coach on a new team might have not accomplished.
therealagent
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 01.15.2012

Apr 4 @ 3:01 PM ET
I think the first two poll options are the same, just switched around?

I want an MG goes, Torts stays option.

- Sashimi23


It makes no sense to off MG thinking Torts is safe. No GM will step into a job without wanting to choose his own coach. It's only a matter of time before that guy gets the axe in 99% of the cases.
BodyCheckRadio
Joined: 10.19.2010

Apr 4 @ 3:02 PM ET
Just curious, but why do you prefer Torts over MG?



Knowing this site and the fact that many non-Canuck fans will vote, I expect the third choice to be the runaway winner. I'd keep MG unless someone like David McNab can be hired.

- Nucker101


Id definitely start with a new GM. Gilles is a complete idiot and a total train wreck of a GM. The modern day Mike Milbury without question. He has ran your franchise in the ground.

I would hire a New GM...someone who has either been one before or someone who was an Assistant GM. Then let him decide about Torts


Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Apr 4 @ 3:05 PM ET
I propose a blockbuster deal

Gillis
Torts
Kesler

To leafs for

Nonis
Carlyle
Kadri
And a first
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