Losing Downie, as ineffective as he was after his injury, has really upset the forward chemistry.

I thought Zac had a pretty solid game up to that shot he missed wide leading to the odd man rush and 4th goal.

You mean it wasn't smart buying out a player well past their prime in Briere, and re-allocating the money in another guy who's prime is long behind him?
- PLindbergh31

No.

Building a team that rides hot and cold streaks, and hindering it by stupid moves is the key to success.

Holmgren should be out, and have been long ago.

Regression is a mean female dog, ain't it?

Not going to keep winning games when the other team routinely has the puck more, you're constantly playing from behind, and you can't outscore the opposition at ES. Can only ride special teams, goaltending, comebacks and luck for so long before it catches up with you.
- Tomahawk

losing a lot of draws, and they aren't hungry, gritty, and simple enough in their attack, which hurts when you constantly lose board battles, are on the wrong side of the puck, don't have puck support. not generating much offensively, and it's strenuous work getting it out of their end. combine that with bad passing throught the middle of the ice with too much east west bullpoop, and you get what you get. very little scoring, and the other team cashing in on their own simple, aggressive play.

Losing Downie, as ineffective as he was after his injury, has really upset the forward chemistry.

I thought Zac had a pretty solid game up to that shot he missed wide leading to the odd man rush and 4th goal.
- Marc D

yep.

No.

Building a team that rides hot and cold streaks, and hindering it by stupid moves is the key to success.

Holmgren should be out, and have been long ago.
- flyer_nutter

So are they going to play themselves out of the playoffs? Rinaldo was the best player out there for the Flyers. The top two lines looked terrible. I guess look on the bright side they scored.

Losing Downie, as ineffective as he was after his injury, has really upset the forward chemistry.

I thought Zac had a pretty solid game up to that shot he missed wide leading to the odd man rush and 4th goal.
- Marc D

Downie has passed all the concussions tests, and pronounced himself ready to play a few days ago. He's been a healthy scratch the last 2 games as far as I'm concerned.

Losing Downie, as ineffective as he was after his injury, has really upset the forward chemistry.

I thought Zac had a pretty solid game up to that shot he missed wide leading to the odd man rush and 4th goal.
- Marc D

I'm going to female dog here a bit, but its really telling when you have nobody in the farm that can provide a real spark, or have had to shield that fourth line for much of the year as is.

Best they have is McGinn and VDV. Management, management, management.

Losing Downie, as ineffective as he was after his injury, has really upset the forward chemistry.

I thought Zac had a pretty solid game up to that shot he missed wide leading to the odd man rush and 4th goal.
- Marc D

Very true. But Rosehill did score.

Regression is a mean female dog, ain't it?

Not going to keep winning games when the other team routinely has the puck more, you're constantly playing from behind, and you can't outscore the opposition at ES. Can only ride special teams, goaltending, comebacks and luck for so long before it catches up with you.
- Tomahawk

Believe me, I hear you -- the Flyers' play at even strength is the root of all of our problems and has been for years. Even when we look good with results, there's always those nagging numbers that are plain to see.

I know people might think I'm killing a kid who is still developing, but I'm not. The problem with Brayden Schenn is that, at the end of the day, this is a results-oriented world, and he plays a sport where results matter.

Nutter'so right: People can't pin this poop on Giroux and Voracek. That second line and that second PP unit have been killing this club for two years now, and I have no damn clue how long you have to wait for Baby Schenn to figure out that you can't have five, six, seven games in a row where you don't get a freaking point every six weeks

Downie has passed all the concussions tests, and pronounced himself ready to play a few days ago. He's been a healthy scratch the last 2 games as far as I'm concerned.
- PLindbergh31

True. In the big picture, again they have a shot to determine their fate. Have to be realistic as to what they are.

You just want to see them moving forward in a positive direction and growing as a team. Certain moves by management, and imho miss-management of Coots/bSchenn are mistakes.

G and Hartnell haven't been very effective the last 3-4 games.

Believe me, I hear you -- the Flyers' play at even strength is the root of all of our problems and has been for years. Even when we look good with results, there's always those nagging numbers that are plain to see.

I know people might think I'm killing a kid who is still developing, but I'm not. The problem with Brayden Schenn is that, at the end of the day, this is a results-oriented world, and he plays a sport where results matter.

Nutter'so right: People can't pin this poop on Giroux and Voracek. That second line and that second PP unit have been killing this club for two years now, and I have no damn clue how long you have to wait for Baby Schenn to figure out that you can't have five, six, seven games in a row where you don't get a freaking point every six weeks
- AllInForFlyers

Maybe it would help Brayden Schenn, to have a consistent spot in the line-up instead of being switched to wing/center. Or to have consistent linemates who help his growth.

Maybe it would help Sean Couturier to develop an offensive game, to not always have him in the toughest of match-ups, always in a shutdown position. If the Flyers cant do that, if they don't have 2 other centers that can be average defensively, then we have bigger issues.

Its about organic growth, and growing it right.

Anyway, good day and good hockey hooligans. They can turn it around, and get some good experience for the kids in the playoffs.

I'm going to female dog here a bit, but its really telling when you have nobody in the farm that can provide a real spark, or have had to shield that fourth line for much of the year as is.

Best they have is McGinn and VDV. Management, management, management.
- flyer_nutter

Trading away draft picks for veteran defenseman at the TDL because they go for it every year has at least something to do with the lack of depth in the system right now.

At least they seem to have some promising D prospects coming up in the next 2-3 years.

Trading away draft picks for veteran defenseman at the TDL because they go for it every year has at least something to do with the lack of depth in the system right now.

At least they seem to have some promising D prospects coming up in the next 2-3 years.
- Marc D

(Cant resist)

Which they waited to the absolute very last second to address, until the need was most dire. Short term outlook running wild by the big wigs.

Very true. But Rosehill did score.
- LJF

Rosehill had a very solid game I thought.

(frank)ing rosehill jinxed the team.

(Cant resist)

Which they waited to the absolute very last second to address, until the need was most dire. Short term outlook running wild by the big wigs.
- flyer_nutter

Better late then never.

Maybe it would help Brayden Schenn, to have a consistent spot in the line-up instead of being switched to wing/center. Or to have consistent linemates who help his growth.

Maybe it would help Sean Couturier to develop an offensive game, to not always have him in the toughest of match-ups, always in a shutdown position. If the Flyers cant do that, if they don't have 2 other centers that can be average defensively, then we have bigger issues.

Its about organic growth, and growing it right.

Anyway, good day and good hockey hooligans. They can turn it around, and get some good experience for the kids in the playoffs.
- flyer_nutter

i absolutely agree with this.
Schenn is going to be another JVR I feel. Gonna trade him away where he goes to a team that either sticks him at wing or at center with some good linemates, and he goes on to be a consistent 60P player.

Vinny and BSchenn were our best 2 FW for the first month of the season, then Vinny got hurt and has been poop ever since. Schenn gets a point every 5 games or so it seems.

I think they need to give Schenn some time with Claude and Jake, and Hartnell with Vinny and Simmonds

and you're right about Couts as well... people say they want to see him do more offensively... he plays against the top line of the opponent every game... if you want him to grow offensively then you need to play him against the 2nd/3rd line of the opponent... if you're gonna play him against the top line every game, of course hes not gonna get very many points!

(Cant resist)

Which they waited to the absolute very last second to address, until the need was most dire. Short term outlook running wild by the big wigs.
- flyer_nutter

Laughton looks solid but passing on Maatta for him... ugh. I will never forgive Homer for that. I will always for eternity hate that we passed on Maatta... what could've been...

Maybe it would help Brayden Schenn, to have a consistent spot in the line-up instead of being switched to wing/center. Or to have consistent linemates who help his growth.

Maybe it would help Sean Couturier to develop an offensive game, to not always have him in the toughest of match-ups, always in a shutdown position. If the Flyers cant do that, if they don't have 2 other centers that can be average defensively, then we have bigger issues.

Its about organic growth, and growing it right.

Anyway, good day and good hockey hooligans. They can turn it around, and get some good experience for the kids in the playoffs.
- flyer_nutter

Schenn had the line to himself. Failed.

You can't force him to be something he isn't yet. He isn't a top 6 forward, no matter who you scapegoat for it.

now that i've had some time to cool off... clowned by boston what else is new

So Ville Leino with the game winning goal tomorrow right?
His first of the season RIIIIIIGGGGGHTTTTTTTT????!!!!!

(frank)ing rosehill jinxed the team.
- Streit2ThePoint

yea rosehil's goal and rinaldo driving the bruins insane lost us the game not fraude giroux

Believe me, I hear you -- the Flyers' play at even strength is the root of all of our problems and has been for years. Even when we look good with results, there's always those nagging numbers that are plain to see.

I know people might think I'm killing a kid who is still developing, but I'm not. The problem with Brayden Schenn is that, at the end of the day, this is a results-oriented world, and he plays a sport where results matter.

Nutter'so right: People can't pin this poop on Giroux and Voracek. That second line and that second PP unit have been killing this club for two years now, and I have no damn clue how long you have to wait for Baby Schenn to figure out that you can't have five, six, seven games in a row where you don't get a freaking point every six weeks
- AllInForFlyers

Buy out Vinny, use the savings to sign 1-2 top-9 LWs who can score goals at ES... seems a lot less risky than pulling the plug on B Schenn to me.