Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks Game Day: April 5 vs. Los Angeles Kings, Torts Retorts The Vancouver Canucks will try to get their first win of the year against the Los Angeles Kings when the teams face off on Saturday night at Rogers Arena.

First.

Sorry but that Sundin offer is nowhere near Gillis' biggest sin. It was a bold, calculated, creative, outside the box way to coax a guy we needed out of retirement and we could afford it. It was only a 2yr thing and would've had no impact on anything except the Aquilini's bank account.

... and just to keep the party going... Crosby >>> Gretzky

Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks Game Day: April 5 vs. Los Angeles Kings, Torts Retorts
The Vancouver Canucks will try to get their first win of the year against the Los Angeles Kings when the teams face off on Saturday night at Rogers Arena.

But the biggest sin, in my eyes, is that fact that Gillis originally offered 37-year-old Sundin a two-year, $20 million deal on July 1, 2008—his first big move after taking the job in April of that year. I can understand him wanting to make a bold statement, but what if Sundin had said yes??
- Carol Schram

I don't think anyone can argue that it wasn't a bold move as promised- almost like a pr stunt at the start of GMMG's tenure. I was wondering how slow he looked in Toronto the year before? Can't remember.

If Sundin had started the year in Vancouver, would it have been much different? Who knows.

Anyway, I don't know why Hank is playing, stick a fork in the season and start auditioning for next year.

Play Dalpe and Schroeder in the top 6, give them some minutes down the stretch.

Sorry but that Sundin offer is nowhere near Gillis' biggest sin. It was a bold, calculated, creative, outside the box way to coax a guy we needed out of retirement and we could afford it. It was only a 2yr thing and would've had no impact on anything except the Aquilini's bank account.

... and just to keep the party going... M. Lemieux >>> Gretzky
- DrChristianTroy

I agree on both fronts

Sorry but that Sundin offer is nowhere near Gillis' biggest sin. It was a bold, calculated, creative, outside the box way to coax a guy we needed out of retirement and we could afford it. It was only a 2yr thing and would've had no impact on anything except the Aquilini's bank account.

... and just to keep the party going... Crosby >>> Gretzky
- DrChristianTroy

- Iggysbff

at the confused look on his face!

(frank)ing Henrik! On the bright side the Canucks now hold the 8th based on team point percentage and ROW.

7ty would be great though, hopefully another moral victory tonight!

Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks Game Day: April 5 vs. Los Angeles Kings, Torts Retorts
The Vancouver Canucks will try to get their first win of the year against the Los Angeles Kings when the teams face off on Saturday night at Rogers Arena.
- Carol Schram

Hating the Sens right now. They're never going to pass the Canucks the way they're playing. And they'll be giving that pick right to Anaheim. Insult to injury.

First.
- pker2theend

Yippee cayay

- Iggysbff

I do have to agree with DCT. Everyone knows today's players are bigger faster stronge.

Gretky was a freak that started playing at the age of 4, today's players are a freak if they don't start training by that age.

Semenko dominated back then at 6'2 and Dave Schultz. The same. They would be considered middleweights now.

Greatz was the most dominating player in any sport but today's athlete would mop him up.

(frank)ing Henrik! On the bright side the Canucks now hold the 8th based on team point percentage and ROW.

7th would be great though, hopefully another moral victory tonight!
- Nucker101

Not sure it matters, as outside of the top 5 it's pretty much a crap shoot, sure it helps if the team is targeting the likes of Perlini, Ehlers, Ritchie and perhaps even Fleury...but:

Personally, the guys i'd prefer will still be available anywhere in the 10-15 range, such as Kapanen , Ho-Sang, Goldobin , Virtanen, Kempe etc.

- Iggysbff

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer to be sure.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer to be sure.
- docmorgan

Ya call that a knife???

I do have to agree with DCT. Everyone knows today's players are bigger faster stronge.

Gretky was a freak that started playing at the age of 4, today's players are a freak if they don't start training by that age.

Semenko dominated back then at 6'2 and Dave Schultz. The same. They would be considered middleweights now.

Greatz was the most dominating player in any sport but today's athlete would mop him up.
- VANTEL

Difficult to compare players from different generations. In the 1970s and before, players drove trucks and worked in warehouses during the offseason and didn't have the time or money to train with Gary Roberts all summer. They smoked and got fat during the summer. Imagine what a monster Phil Esposito would have been if he worked out. Bobby Hull was a superior skater and shooter, but by today's standards would be an AHL player. But if he was raised and trained today would likely be a dominant NHLer. I'm sure with Gretzky's motivation and work ethic, if he played today would be a workout fiend and with his hockey skills and brain be dominant. He would also be used to today's speed because that's all he would have ever known. Would he be as dominant? Hard to imagine anyone getting 92 goals and 200+ points in today's NHL. If Crosby were playing in the 80s, I'm not sure that he'd need special pants as I'm not sure he would know what a squat is. He'd likely be one of the better players though.

Ya call that a knife???


- lumlums

I do have to agree with DCT. Everyone knows today's players are bigger faster stronge.

Gretky was a freak that started playing at the age of 4, today's players are a freak if they don't start training by that age.

Semenko dominated back then at 6'2 and Dave Schultz. The same. They would be considered middleweights now.

Greatz was the most dominating player in any sport but today's athlete would mop him up.
- VANTEL

I think it's silly to compare players from different eras. It's not a level playing field as there so many differing factors at play. Carl Lewis is considered to be the greatest track & field athlete ever with his 9 gold medals but we all know from their race times that Usain Bolt would wipe the floor with him. Roger Federer and Pete Sampras would hand Rod Laver his lunch and give him a swift kick in the behind on the way out.

It's not how good you are in direct comparison against all eras but how dominant you are against the players of your era vs how dominant others are in theirs. This whole "if we had a time machine and dropped the modern player in the old days" is such a juvenile notion it's not even worth debating.

I do have to agree with DCT. Everyone knows today's players are bigger faster stronge.

Gretky was a freak that started playing at the age of 4, today's players are a freak if they don't start training by that age.

Semenko dominated back then at 6'2 and Dave Schultz. The same. They would be considered middleweights now.

Greatz was the most dominating player in any sport but today's athlete would mop him up.
- VANTEL

I doubt it. I think Wayne would be a different player growing up and training along side these contemporaries.

I doubt it. I think Wayne would be a different player growing up and training along side these contemporaries.
- Jeropotato

That's not the point. My whole argument is based on as-is ability/skillset and I disagree with Alex that it's a juvenile discussion.

That's not the point. My whole argument is based on as-is ability/skillset and I disagree with Alex that it's a juvenile discussion.
- DrChristianTroy

Of course it is. Gretzky dominated and changed the game.

Sid has done neither.

That's not the point. My whole argument is based on as-is ability/skillset and I disagree with Alex that it's a juvenile discussion.
- DrChristianTroy

Let's put it this way, across almost every sport (if not all), the modern champ will cream the champ from 30 years ago in a head-to-head competition, sponsored by the good folks at discountedtimetravel.com.

Of course it is. Gretzky dominated and changed the game.

Sid has done neither.
- Iggysbff

If leading the scoring race by 20pts in this era isn't domination, I don't know what is.

Let's put it this way, across almost every sport (if not all), the modern champ will cream the champ from 30 years ago in a head-to-head competition, sponsored by the good folks at discountedtimetravel.com.
- AlexF

I expressed that in my argument and explained the criteria. The interesting thing (to me) is; How much more functional strength & speed can realistically be added to today's athlete? Will the gap between the 80's NHLer & today's NHLer be equivalent to the gap between today's NHLer & 2040's NHLer? I highly doubt it. I think we're reaching peak performance in this era.

If leading the scoring race by 20pts in this era isn't domination, I don't know what is.
- DrChristianTroy

The Kings record versus the Canucks this season?

I need the Kings to win tonight to stop donkey lover from gaining another point in the pool!

I expressed that in my argument and explained the criteria. The interesting thing (to me) is; How much more functional strength & speed can realistically be added to today's athlete? Will the gap between the 80's NHLer & today's NHLer be equivalent to the gap between today's NHLer & 2040's NHLer? I highly doubt it. I think we're reaching peak performance in this era.
- DrChristianTroy

The more important question is why isn't RNH as good as Gretzky was?