nope, McDavid and the towers on D will be good.
- BingoLady

i dont think buff will be 30th next year.

just a hunch...i think 26th.

(frank) off Glucky, stop twisting my words, I said AS IT TURNS OUT,


FFS.
- LeafMan

I don't care that you said as it turns out.

Criticizing a trade because of a freak injury is just being negative for the sake of negativity.

I don't care that you said as it turns out.

Criticizing a trade because of a freak injury is just being negative for the sake of negativity.
- Feeling Glucky?

3 picks for a 3rd line center who wants 5 mil is a tough pill to swallow no matter how you spin it.

I don't care that you said as it turns out.

Criticizing a trade because of a freak injury is just being negative for the sake of negativity.
- Feeling Glucky?

I didn't criticize the trade, I gave the particulars of said trade that B_Dion brought up, where did I say I hate Bolland or the trade?

You are getting annoying.

edit: I have said to resign Bolland (within cap reason)

Lets hope the 3 teams below us win out so we can get the coveted 8th overall draft pick.

Don't know why (not saying you) some people are giving up on Holland who was misused most of the time with the Leafs. The guy has skill and talent, give him more of a chance.
- LeafMan

I agree, Leafs Management (frank)ed up. They misused him and didn't keep him under 25 games. If they did that, great deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for where he was playing wasnt worth it.

Bottom 6 should have been

Raymond/smith or mcclement/kuli
Bodie/ ^ / ashton

Don't know why (not saying you) some people are giving up on Holland who was misused most of the time with the Leafs. The guy has skill and talent, give him more of a chance.
- LeafMan

Top-6 potential, more depth at center, NHL ready now, still very young

Nothing to complain about with that deal at all.

they dont

they use a made us system of their own..which confirms the leafs were doing good.
- senstroll

No way to confirm that.

Top-6 potential, more depth at center, NHL ready now, still very young

Nothing to complain about with that deal at all.
- Feeling Glucky?

Using him for more than 25 games and sacrificing a higher draft pick. Bad call on management using him where he was in the line up and not someone else.

3 picks for a 3rd line center who wants 5 mil is a tough pill to swallow no matter how you spin it.
- big_dion

I'm not the one doing the spinning.

Bolland was exactly what the Leafs needed in the bottom-6. A shut-down line is very important to a team's success, and the absence of a good one with Bolland injured clearly hurt the Leafs this year.

notice i had the word "DEADLINE" in there.

thanks.
- big_dion

So then it makes less sense.

They are in a playoff spot.....so lets trade our depth for picks

And after 48 games this year we were sitting pretty also.

Sadly last year can't be used as a comparable at all; fewer games, less travel, no games vs the west.

What this season tells me is that our team is either exhausted or out of shape. That's on Randy.
- lumlums

Out of shape is on the players.

I agree, Leafs Management (frank)ed up. They misused him and didn't keep him under 25 games. If they did that, great deal. Losing a 2nd rounder for where he was playing wasnt worth it.

Bottom 6 should have been

Raymond/smith or mcclement/kuli
Bodie/ ^ / ashton
- CanadianBodmon

thats on Nonis.

Using him for more than 25 games and sacrificing a higher draft pick. Bad call on management using him where he was in the line up and not someone else.
- CanadianBodmon

If you think a guy gives you a better chance to win than another guy, you play him. Worrying about draft picks in that scenario is stupid.

So then it makes less sense.

They are in a playoff spot.....so lets trade our depth for picks
- Fakepartofme

They are trying to say, everyone knew that Leafs couldn't keep this up / weren't going to come close of winning the stanley cup. So gather as many assets as you can to better the team for next year.

Trading the players for picks instead of letting them walk and the end of an unsuccessful season would have helped the team in the future. Now they are useless to us.

I'm not the one doing the spinning.

Bolland was exactly what the Leafs needed in the bottom-6. A shut-down line is very important to a team's success, and the absence of a good one with Bolland injured clearly hurt the Leafs this year.
- Feeling Glucky?

i never said you were spinning it, whats your problem?

im saying that is a lot to give up for a pricy third line center.

i like bolland, but 3 picks for a guy who plays 20 games then asks for 5 mil a year, sorry, thats just not something im overly happy about.

I didn't criticize the trade, I gave the particulars of said trade that B_Dion brought up, where did I say I hate Bolland or the trade?

You are getting annoying.

edit: I have said to resign Bolland (within cap reason)
- LeafMan

To me, calling it a trade for a rental when it clearly wasn't that is taking a shot at the trade. That's how I responded to it.

because guys like kulemin/raymond are not comign back next year and we could have sold at least Raymond high, kule does hold some value as a decent 2 way player who has had some success putting the puck in the net.

this team was 100% never going to win the cup since day 1 of pre season, if you didnt know that well then you forgot about chicago, LA, pitty, anaheim, etc.
- big_dion

Look what Vanek was traded for?
Raymond and Kulemin wouldnt have gotten a return close to that.
No one in management or leaf nation thought they were winning a cup.
But management was betting on them making the playoffs and winning a round (up until the Olymics that was a possibility), so why the hell would they trade their depth for crap?

i never said you were spinning it, whats your problem?

im saying that is a lot to give up for a pricy third line center.

i like bolland, but 3 picks for a guy who plays 20 games then asks for 5 mil a year, sorry, thats just not something im overly happy about.
- big_dion

You shouldn't be happy about it- but the trade wasn't made for a guy who'd play only 20 games.

poop happens. Can't blame the GM for freak injuries.

If you think a guy gives you a better chance to win than another guy, you play him. Worrying about draft picks in that scenario is stupid.
- Feeling Glucky?

I don't think they should have used him in the situation they were playing him in. So they basically wasted a 2nd rounder instead of a 3rd. mcclement/kuli/smith/smithson (yeah I know). pick 2. play them. when your forth line is playing 6 minutes a night. Not too concerned about that line. Smithson did as much as orr and mcclaren so whatever put him there too.

They are trying to say, everyone knew that Leafs couldn't keep this up / weren't going to come close of winning the stanley cup. So gather as many assets as you can to better the team for next year.

Trading the players for picks instead of letting them walk and the end of an unsuccessful season would have helped the team in the future. Now they are useless to us.
- CanadianBodmon

Because trading Bolland would have fetched us a couple of first-round picks?

Look what Vanek was traded for?
Raymond and Kulemin wouldnt have gotten a return close to that.
No one in management or leaf nation thought they were winning a cup.
But management was betting on them making the playoffs and winning a round (up until the Olymics that was a possibility), so why the hell would they trade their depth for crap?
- Fakepartofme

read my post above.

They are trying to say, everyone knew that Leafs couldn't keep this up / weren't going to come close of winning the stanley cup. So gather as many assets as you can to better the team for next year.

Trading the players for picks instead of letting them walk and the end of an unsuccessful season would have helped the team in the future. Now they are useless to us.
- CanadianBodmon

Which is stupid. I know what they are trying to say and it sounds so smart now...blah blah blah.
But the reality is, management as with 99% of the people on here thought they were lock for the playoffs before the collaspe.

So you dont trade depth for low picks when you believe you can gain a round or two of experience in the playoffs.

Because trading Bolland would have fetched us a couple of first-round picks?
- Atomic Wedgie

Bolland? I wasn't even thinking bolland. Some of our hundred UFAs coming into this season could have been.

I don't think they should have used him in the situation they were playing him in. So they basically wasted a 2nd rounder instead of a 3rd. mcclement/kuli/smith/smithson (yeah I know). pick 2. play them. when your forth line is playing 6 minutes a night. Not too concerned about that line. Smithson did as much as orr and mcclaren so whatever put him there too.
- CanadianBodmon

Management's job is to give the coach the tools to do the job.

The coach's job is to use those tools to win games.

I don't want the GM telling the coach who to use and who not to use.

And remember, Smith was injured too, that's one of the reasons Holland was brought up... and Smithson is a joke, better to give a youngster NHL experience than play a vet that can't skate.