Exactly. So why trade one that is 23 (with better stats at the same age) for essential the same guy 3 years older with a higher cap hit??

Does not improve the team
- burn

the only sensible reason is "because" or Howard Berger "said so".

either of reasons explain the Harald Ballard approach to personnel management.

Exactly, it worked for the Blues, they only waited another 5 years after the Leafs gave up on Steen for him to score more than 24 goals.

The Saviour has come.


In 5 years
- bixll

Not sure what you're trying to say, you should see the difference in the Blues record with Steen in the lineup and out of it. The Blues have loved Steen for a long time. He's very similar to his pops.

completely different players. But im sure you've seen him play to know that.

My whole basis is we need to improve the defensive hockey on this team. But i guess we don't.
- clark_griswold

Love it. Yeah I have no idea who he is. Never seen him play. Never heard of him.


Yes we need to fix the defensive play of this team, but it's absolutely asinine to think that a 23 yr old cannot improve in that area..... not to mention fixing the system.

Almost identical. Traded a younger guy for an older guy that had done what they wanted Steen to do. As it turns out Steen has been the better player from the moment that trade was made. Stempniak may not be in the league next year, and Steen is well...
- burn

(frank) Stempniak. I picked him up in my fantasy league because he was playing with CROSBY. What does he do on Crosbys wing? SUCK Richard and put up pedestrian numbers.

- Iggysbff

Someone chirped Kessel. Made the girl laugh. And kessel awkwardly because thats what he does. He doesn't have the ball to step up like he did telling dion to STFU

*edit. Whoops! Didnt see the picture move! SHOULDA BEEN #42 BALLSAKS FACE THERE

He's not a fan of Kadri Burn. Sometimes you just have to recognize where a poster is coming from and just let it go. He likes Little, and there's nothing wrong with that. Move on.
- mykokes

I like him to.... just don;'t see improvement there.

(frank) Stempniak. I picked him up in my fantasy league because he was playing with CROSBY. What does he do on Crosbys wing? SUCK Richard and put up pedestrian numbers.
- markmark

did u pick up Jurco?

gillis is gone....shocker of the century
- clark_griswold

but but but....


he's the bestest GM evah!

actually I was hoping the Canucks would hang on to him... he was fun to watch.

Almost identical. Traded a younger guy for an older guy that had done what they wanted Steen to do. As it turns out Steen has been the better player from the moment that trade was made. Stempniak may not be in the league next year, and Steen is well...
- burn

i guess you could say that if little hadn't already scored 30 goals and is a proven point producer as well as playing defensive.

if he gets say 60 pts - 70 pts and plays a better 2 way game, that's much more of a benefit to a horrendous defensive team than a kadri who gets 60-80 pts.

did u pick up Jurco?
- Jurco_28

Nope but I'd imagine I would be equally disappointed with him as I was with Legwand.

I like him to.... just don;'t see improvement there.
- burn

it's just a debate, that's what these boards are for. I see a need for 2 way play, you see a need for offense. It really just helps pass the time.

it's called 2 way play. Being on the PK just shows you are responsible. But i digress, kadri 4 life. he's way better offensively than the guy i suggested too
- clark_griswold

Kadri spent more time on the PK than Little did during their first years.... by this logic 23 year old Kadri will be better 2way than Little in 3 years.

Almost identical. Traded a younger guy for an older guy that had done what they wanted Steen to do. As it turns out Steen has been the better player from the moment that trade was made. Stempniak may not be in the league next year, and Steen is well...
- burn

Steen's with blues, maybe better than Lee, but come on. hardly big numbers.

61 6 18 24
68 24 23 47
72 20 31 51
40 8 19 27
64 33 27 60

i guess you could say that if little hadn't already scored 30 goals and is a proven point producer as well as playing defensive.

if he gets say 60 pts - 70 pts and plays a better 2 way game, that's much more of a benefit to a horrendous defensive team than a kadri who gets 60-80 pts.
- clark_griswold

You have a valid point, there are just those of us who think Kadri will get better.

Kadri spent more time on the PK than Little did during their first years.... by this logic 23 year old Kadri will be better 2way than Little in 3 years.
- burn

i already explained this a few posts ago

elaborate.
- burn

are you kidding?? google Gary Leeman & Iafrate read what comes up

also look into Jeff Carter & Scott Harntell same thing , Philly lost 11 of 14 almost missed the playoffs

elaborate.
- burn

are you kidding?? google Gary Leeman & Iafrate read what comes up

also look into Jeff Carter & Scott Harntell same thing , Philly lost 11 of 14 almost missed the playoffs

Burke->Nonis->Gilis in Vancouver

Burke->Nonis-> ? in Toronto
- Cherry--Skoal

Oops.

You have a valid point, there are just those of us who think Kadri will get better.
- mykokes

i agree. My point isn't so much kadri sucks i have given him praise. It's more so when people are freaking out at the mention of moving him.

anyone should be moveable on a team that has made the playoffs once in 10 years

Steen's with blues, maybe better than Lee, but come on. hardly big numbers.

61 6 18 24
68 24 23 47
72 20 31 51
40 8 19 27
64 33 27 60
- bixll

That's pretty much a 50-55 point avg from your 2nd line shutdown centre. Cups are won with that type of player in that role. I don't see how you can critique those numbers.

i agree. My point isn't so much kadri sucks i have given him praise. It's more so when people are freaking out at the mention of moving him.

anyone should be moveable on a team that has made the playoffs once in 10 years
- clark_griswold

Considering he's really only been on the team for 2 full seasons...I don't fault him for the other 8 seasons.

You have a valid point, there are just those of us who think Kadri will get better.
- mykokes

as he should, look at detroit, what do they do with their players, they have made the playoffs what...23 years in a row now.

god forbid we tried to follow suit.

draft, build, teach, improve.

i guess you could say that if little hadn't already scored 30 goals and is a proven point producer as well as playing defensive.

if he gets say 60 pts - 70 pts and plays a better 2 way game, that's much more of a benefit to a horrendous defensive team than a kadri who gets 60-80 pts.
- clark_griswold

And there is ZERO chance of Kadri improving at 23??? Little did, but KAdri wont??


I guess this is what you are missing. We have a guy that is skilled and putting up better numbers at the same age, lets let him see if he can continue to get better instead of trading for the guy you want him to be that is 3 years older.

I see no improvement in the team with that trade and it could very well come back to bite us.

are you kidding?? google Gary Leeman & Iafrate read what comes up

also look into Jeff Carter & Scott Harntell same thing , Philly lost 11 of 14 almost missed the playoffs
- Adam_The_Golf

iafrate was nailing leemans' wife, or the other way around? i can't remember.