Old man Wirtz just about drove me away from hockey Sage. I would tune in to catch a bit or watch other teams and the playoffs but I wouldn't go to a Hawks game.
- Elbows15

I think you're speaking for a lot of us here with that comment.

Old man Wirtz just about drove me away from hockey Sage. I would tune in to catch a bit or watch other teams and the playoffs but I wouldn't go to a Hawks game.
- Elbows15

It's really amazing how bad the sports ownership in this world class city has been: either incompetent (Wrigley, Tribune, McCaskeys after Halas) or not caring about wins, only profits (Reinsdorf, Wirtz).

I guess Rocky is the best of them - so far - Reinsdorf far behind in second place.

Same here....when I grew up and as I got older it was Larmer, Wilson, Belfour, Savard, Manson, Amonte, Roenick, etc..... and he got rid of all of them and I decided to go on a self imposed strike. Followed the Bruins, Islanders, and Kings.......
- UnnamedSource

That was the final straw for me. Wirtz had no desire to win. He had enough money to buy a couple of pieces like the Wings did. And refused.

It's really amazing how bad the sports ownership in this world class city has been: either incompetent (Wrigley, Tribune, McCaskeys after Halas) or not daring about wins, only profits (Reinsdorf, Wirtz).

I guess Rocky is the best of them - so far - Reinsdorf far behind in second place.
- StLBravesFan

I wouldn't put Reinsdorf in that class. The Sox have always tried to make moves to put them over the top. And he paid a lot of money to those Bulls teams, And his payroll is far from the bottom of the league. Add in the fact there are about 30 guys that own the team. He does care about winning.

And - apropos of nothing other than there's no hockey to watch - for the first half of it - 2 hours - Gone With The Wind is an outstanding movie.

I think you're speaking for a lot of us here with that comment.
- Beaver-Warrior

That stubborn bastard almost killed hockey in one of the best markets in the country. Pretty amazing when you think about it.

That stubborn bastard almost killed hockey in one of the best markets in the country. Pretty amazing when you think about it.
- Elbows15

He also opened the door for a renegade team in the market too. 20 years later they're still in Rosemont.

I wouldn't put Reinsdorf in that class. The Sox have always tried to make moves to put them over the top. And he paid a lot of money to those Bulls teams, And his payroll is far from the bottom of the league. Add in the fact there are about 30 guys that own the team. He does care about winning.
- Elbows15

Maybe but: he was a major leader in the cancelled season of 1994, with the Sox in first place, and basketball is a salary cap sport. The Bulls (I think) are - and have been since the Jordan days - the most profitable franchise in the NBA - even those great years after Jordan.

That's all well and good - IF he provided winners. He's owned the Sox for over 30 years - one pennant, one championship.

He's owned the Bulls for 30 years - yes, 6 championships - all in an 8 year period because of the luck of having Portland pick Sam Bowie.

I'd be willing to move him to the "incompetent" pile, but I'm not a fan.

He also opened the door for a renegade team in the market too. 20 years later they're still in Rosemont.
- EKolb13

you really hate them, huh?

Maybe but: he was a major leader in the cancelled season of 1994, with the Sox in first place, and basketball is a salary cap sport. The Bulls (I think) are - and have been since the Jordan days - the most profitable franchise in the NBA - even those great years after Jordan.

That's all well and good - IF he provided winners. He's owned the Sox for over 30 years - one pennant, one championship.

He's owned the Bulls for 30 years - yes, 6 championships - all in an 8 year period because of the luck of having Portland pick Sam Bowie.

I'd be willing to move him to the "incompetent" pile, but I'm not a fan.
- StLBravesFan

This I will agree with.

That stubborn bastard almost killed hockey in one of the best markets in the country. Pretty amazing when you think about it.
- Elbows15

Almost never got into Hockey or the Hawks because of the elder Wirtz. My Dad had season tickets until they let Bobby go. He dumped them. Blackhawks hockey and hockey in general was taboo in my house after that. I honestly can not remember my Dad ever talking about the Hawks. He LOVED Bobby Hull from what my Mom tells me. He was crushed. Love Rocky!!

You see anybody in the upper deck?


- Beaver-Warrior

Awesome pic!

I haven't been at the New Comiskey (now known by a corporate-sponsored name that I vowed to never write or say) since before they remodeled it, and the upper deck was vertigo city. I've heard they sort of fixed that, but don't know first hand.

Of course, this wouldn't explain the absence of fans here...

you really hate them, huh?
- Elbows15

I do.

Quick Question,

Does anyone know or have access to a Playoff Draft cheat sheet or Draft Kit. I am trying to find something online for my office playoff pool that lists projected line up and current stats/injuries team by team.

I refuse to pay rotowire for something like that. Anyone have a good place to find or download a pdf of a draft kit?
- DDM-Coga

Every Hawks player. They'll be scoring the most and playing the most games. Next.

Every Hawks player. They'll be scoring the most and playing the most games. Next.
- rollpards19

You're not going to suffer ant Avs fan, are you?

You're not going to suffer ant Avs fan, are you?
- EKolb13

dude. you're on the list for being nice to fans of other teams.

Wrigley could have bought the buildings on Waveland and Sheffield in the forties and fifties for nothing.

As for the White Sox - one championship, some good teams in the "go-go Sox" fifties and the Frank Thomas nineties - other than that not a much better record than the Cubs.
- StLBravesFan

The Cubs have a higher overall winning percentage.

Cubs have been to the playoffs (6) times since 1983, the White Sox (5) - even with all those "great" Sox teams some Sox fans seem to love to point to.

Cubs have won (16) pennants to the White Sox (6)

Cubs have won (3) times, Sox have won (2) times

You know what that means? BOTH baseball teams have been pathetically horrible throughout their existence. However, some Sox fans seem to believe that they have the better franchise. Priceless I tell ya.

dude. you're on the list for being nice to fans of other teams.
- Elbows15

Whatever.

Old man Wirtz just about drove me away from hockey Sage. I would tune in to catch a bit or watch other teams and the playoffs but I wouldn't go to a Hawks game.
- Elbows15

Probably a widely held, almost universal attitude. The day the the news of his death was announced, I immediately became imbued with enthusiasm about what might happen for the franchise. I'd look at standings and box scores during the late Zhamnov et al era, but that was about it.

The Cubs have a higher overall winning percentage.

Cubs have been to the playoffs (6) times since 1983, the White Sox (5) - even with all those "great" Sox teams some Sox fans seem to love to point to.

Cubs have won (16) pennants to the White Sox (6)

Cubs have won (3) times, Sox have won (2) times

You know what that means? BOTH baseball teams have been pathetically horrible throughout their existence. However, some Sox fans seem to believe that they have the better franchise. Priceless I tell ya.
- CaptainBlackhawk

There isn't anyone alive who has seen the Cubs win a championship.. I call bullpoop.

There isn't anyone alive who has seen the Cubs win a championship.. I call bullpoop.
- Elbows15

This.

Probably a widely held, almost universal attitude. The day the the news of his death was announced, I immediately became imbued with enthusiasm about what might happen for the franchise. I'd look at standings and box scores during the late Zhamnov et al era, but that was about it.
- Tugboat

The day Wirtz died I got a phone call from my buddy a bit after 6 a.m. yelling "HE DIED! HE DIED!!!"

I arrived at my train station where I ran into my "train friend". She is a middle aged woman who works for one of Wirtz's companies. I assumed she already knew and said, "Hey that's something else about Bill Wirtz". She had no clue and actually started crying and did throughout the rest of the train ride.

His employees he treated like gold. His hockey franchise not so much.

Probably a widely held, almost universal attitude. The day the the news of his death was announced, I immediately became imbued with enthusiasm about what might happen for the franchise. I'd look at standings and box scores during the late Zhamnov et al era, but that was about it.
- Tugboat

Zhamnov? What a bum that guy was. He showed up for about 30 games a year.

There isn't anyone alive who has seen the Cubs win a championship.. I call bullpoop.
- Elbows15

I'm just comparing the two franchises. Both are pathetic and one certainly isn't better than the other as some seem to think.

Zhamnov? What a bum that guy was. He showed up for about 30 games a year.
- Elbows15

Another Commie with no heart