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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 15 @ 5:54 PM ET
There are different rules for Goalies. I'll see if I can expand my knowledge a little bit and find that out for you.
- MJL

It's your day, spend it anyway you want. I'll be off of here and heading home for work in 6 minutes so spend it wisely...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 5:55 PM ET
So the slide rule doesn't apply to Laughton like I said?

And you're saying it doesn't apply to Gaudrea like I said.

So Laughton can slide to the CHL without it counting a year against his contract like I said?

And Gaudreau has to eat up a year of his contract by playing a single game in the NHL like I said.

My day seems pretty solid and I didn't spend the last hour pouring through the CBA just to get faced.

Later.

- mayorofangrytown


You claimed that the reason why is that the slide rule doesn't apply to NCAA players. That is not the case. The reason why Gaudreau's deal can't slide is because he was 20 years old when he signed the deal. Not that he was an NCAA player.
FrmRusiaWifGlov
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Land of Single Malts-- St. Andrews, Scotland
Joined: 03.31.2013

Apr 15 @ 5:56 PM ET
It's your day, spend it anyway you want. I'll be off of here and heading home for work in 6 minutes so spend it wisely...

- mayorofangrytown


mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 15 @ 5:57 PM ET
You claimed that the reason why is that the slide rule doesn't apply to NCAA players. That is not the case. The reason why Gaudreau's deal can't slide is because he was 20 years old when he signed the deal. Not that he was an NCAA player.
- MJL

I said the slide rule applies to Laughton and that's why he gets games. I said it didn't apply to Gaudreau and that's why he doesn't.

Enjoy you day.
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Apr 15 @ 5:57 PM ET
No....But im about to enlighten myself. Im younger than all of you. Sometimes I miss these things
- FrmRusiaWifGlov

his first record "class clown" was fantastic
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 5:58 PM ET
I said the slide rule applies to Laughton and that's why he gets games. I said it didn't apply to Gaudreau and that's why he doesn't.

Enjoy you day.

- mayorofangrytown


You stated that the slide rule does not apply to college players. That is not the case. It's age related with Gaudreau.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Apr 15 @ 5:59 PM ET
You claimed that the reason why is that the slide rule doesn't apply to NCAA players. That is not the case. The reason why Gaudreau's deal can't slide is because he was 20 years old when he signed the deal. Not that he was an NCAA player.
- MJL

It was me who said that NCAA players aren't effected, but I'm still technically right because NCAA players aren't allowed to have that 10 game tryout. If they were, that means they'd already have had to sign their ELC deals in which case they are ineligible to play for the NCAA.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 15 @ 6:00 PM ET
You claimed that the reason why is that the slide rule doesn't apply to NCAA players. That is not the case. The reason why Gaudreau's deal can't slide is because he was 20 years old when he signed the deal. Not that he was an NCAA player.
- MJL


No matter what age they are when they sign, the NCAA player relinquishes eligibility the second pen hits paper. Unless they're like Stolarz and ditch school for junior, you'll never see an NCAA player slide.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:01 PM ET
It was me who said that NCAA players aren't effected, but I'm still technically right because NCAA players aren't allowed to have that 10 game tryout. If they were, that means they'd already have had to sign their ELC deals in which case they are ineligible to play for the NCAA.
- rangerdanger94


Once they sign they lose college eligibility. Only players age 18 or 19 are eligible for the slide rule. Gaudreau was 20 when he signed. That's the reason why players like him and Krieder, burn a year on their ELC when they play 1 game, that you and mr hat corrected me on earlier.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:02 PM ET
No matter what age they are when they sign, the NCAA player relinquishes eligibility the second pen hits paper. Unless they're like Stolarz and ditch school for junior, you'll never see an NCAA player slide.
- Tomahawk


Different conversation. Well aware that they lose eligibility once they sign.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Apr 15 @ 6:02 PM ET
Once they sign they lose college eligibility. Only players age 18 or 19 are eligible for the slide rule. Gaudreau was 20 when he signed. That's the reason why players like him and Krieder, burn a year on their ELC when they play 1 game, that you and mr hat corrected me on earlier.
- MJL

Exactly, if NCAA players sign, then they're no longer NCAA players AKA NCAA players aren't eligible for the 9 game tryout.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:02 PM ET
Respect each other in any reply/conversation. If you can not don't spend the time responding.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 15 @ 6:04 PM ET
Exactly, if NCAA players sign, then they're no longer NCAA players AKA NCAA players aren't eligible for the 9 game tryout.
- rangerdanger94


This
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:04 PM ET
Exactly, if NCAA players sign, then they're no longer NCAA players AKA NCAA players aren't eligible for the 9 game tryout.
- rangerdanger94


A young player age 18 or 19 when he signs an ELC, couldn't leave College hockey, and play for a Junior team?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Apr 15 @ 6:05 PM ET
A young player age 18 or 19 when he signs an ELC, couldn't leave College hockey, and play for a Junior team?
- MJL

I'm not 100% on that but regardless, he is no longer an NCAA player.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:07 PM ET
A young player age 18 or 19 when he signs an ELC, couldn't leave College hockey, and play for a Junior team?
- MJL


In past knowledge they'd leave the college team first & some time after signing the ELC one with the junior team.

Example Stolarz left UNO on 1-7-13 he didn't sign an ELC until 3-1-13

But once a player leaves college to play major junior hockey they are no longer eligible to play in the NCAA.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:08 PM ET
I'm not 100% on that but regardless, he is no longer an NCAA player.
- rangerdanger94


Right, he is no longer an NCAA player. But he could still be assigned to a junior team as long as he is eligible to. And as long as he was 19 or younger when he signed the deal, his contract could still slide. And if that is the case, then being an NCAA player has nothing to do with being slide eligible or not. And it's age related according to CBA 9.1 (d)
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Apr 15 @ 6:10 PM ET
Right, he is no longer an NCAA player. But he could still be assigned to a junior team as long as he is eligible to. And as long as he was 19 or younger when he signed the deal, his contract could still slide. And if that is the case, then being an NCAA player has nothing to do with being slide eligible or not. And it's age related according to CBA 9.1 (d)
- MJL

I think that if a player leaves the NCAA at age 18 or 19 to turn pro, then he can only be sent down to the AHL and not Juniors. But I'm not 100% on that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:10 PM ET
In past knowledge they'd leave the college team first & some time after signing the ELC one with the junior team.

Example Stolarz left UNO on 1-7-13 he didn't sign an ELC until 3-1-13

But once a player leaves college to play major junior hockey they are no longer eligible to play in the NCAA.

- ob18


And Stolarz contract did slide. So it's age related.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 15 @ 6:11 PM ET
so Gotisbehere is 21 this Sunday, if he plays at all with the Flyers it is a year off his ELC

no way should he play
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 15 @ 6:12 PM ET
I think if he is coming back for another year he will probably stay with the Flyers. I dont think he will pull an Alfredsson but you never know. I think he will probably get the same or a little less than what he is making. The people who think he will return for 4 million are crazy
- FrmRusiaWifGlov


Well then he's going to another team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:12 PM ET
I think that if a player leaves the NCAA at age 18 or 19 to turn pro, then he can only be sent down to the AHL and not Juniors. But I'm not 100% on that.
- rangerdanger94


Anthony Stolarz played for the University of Nebraska-Omaha in 12-13 for 8 games. Left and played the same year for the London Knights of the OHL. And played for them this year also. His contract slid.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Apr 15 @ 6:13 PM ET
And Stolarz contract did slide. So it's age related.
- MJL

If a player aged 18 or 19 signs an entry-level contract with a club (with his age calculated on Sept. 15 of the year he signed the contract) but does not play in at least 10 NHL games — regular season or playoffs — the contract will "slide" or be extended one year. The extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31 in the year he signed the contract.
Depending on the contract's structure, the player's cap hit can be affected either by an increase or a decrease. Players who sign at age 18 can have their contract extended (or "slide") two seasons.

CBA reference: Section 9.1 (d) (P. 23-24)

There it is, but I'm not sure on the rules of whether or not a player, once he turns pro after leaving the NCAA, is allowed to enter Junior hockey. Not sure many teams would even do that and would only offer their NCAA players contracts if they're ready for at least the AHL.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 6:13 PM ET
so Gotisbehere is 21 this Sunday, if he plays at all with the Flyers it is a year off his ELC

no way should he play

- Marc D


Yes, apparently the Flyers put him on their reserve list before the deadline. But he had to have signed before the regular season to be eligible to play in the playoffs.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Apr 15 @ 6:13 PM ET
Anthony Stolarz played for the University of Nebraska-Omaha in 12-13 for 8 games. Left and played the same year for the London Knights of the OHL. And played for them this year also. His contract slid.
- MJL

Yea, a Rangers prospect left the NCAA this year to go play Juniors. But he was under a professional NHL contract, so I'm not sure if he can sign an NHL contract and then get sent to juniors.
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