I say trade B.Schenn after the season. I've seen enough. Let's get some defense!
- GOA88

if anyone gets traded i say it's read

I see it happening, but if they trade bSchenn after tossing him back and forth between center and wing all year to just make LeCavalier happy, all while keeping Vinny for another year that's kind of a joke if you ask me.

They really need more mobility and guys that can handle the puck on that back end. I see bSchenn being used for that, but that's not to say such players have to automatically be bad in their own zone.

There is no need for one dimensional guys. That just leads to what we have now.
- flyer_nutter

best case scenario would be if Vinnie asks for a trade and
move one of Grossmann or LSchenn

get a winger to replace VL who can skate, and get a D man who can play a 2 way game to replace NG or LS

And if (frank)ing Luke wasn't 'the guy' they got back from the JVR trade I really doubt he would be looked at with such 'promise'.

/end rant
- flyer_nutter

I know, but he's been much better with the right partner.

we need to sign vanek at all costs this off season

I'm not against trading Brayden Schenn, but to do it just for the sake of trading him and saying he's not an asset is pretty asinine.

He's a 20 goal scoring 22 year old that struggles with consistency. God help us if Gostisbehere doesn't step in and play like PK Subban or Erik Karlsson

we need to sign vanek at all costs this off season
- 2Real

sexy
big name
top UFA

not a good Canadian boy

meets 3 out of the 4 criteria for the flyers, not bad

I'm not against trading Brayden Schenn, but to do it just for the sake of trading him and saying he's not an asset is pretty asinine.

He's a 20 goal scoring 22 year old that struggles with consistency. God help us if Gostisbehere doesn't step in and play like PK Subban or Erik Karlsson
- Jsaquella

I wonder how they will treat Gostisbehere from a development standpoint. Sbisa was playing forward at times.

Guss has been sitting in the press-box to help his development.

Alt, and to a lesser degree Lauridsen also deserve a shot. Not really sure who will be a good partner for these guys as is. The mentor here to provide stability in Timonen may be done after this year by all reports. Coburn will be playing big minutes and I doubt he will have a kid on his other side.

Grossmann/Luke Schenn or Streit have problems of their own, let alone helping to mentor a young d-man. Its where I really miss a guy like O'Donnell who for all his knocks, was a really stable partner. Gill seems to have some of that in him.

sexy
big name
top UFA

not a good Canadian boy

meets 3 out of the 4 criteria for the flyers, not bad
- Marc D

Dany Heatley...reclamation project for Homer

I wonder how they will treat Gostisbehere from a development standpoint. Sbisa was playing forward at times.

Guss has been sitting in the press-box to help his development.

Alt, and to a lesser degree Lauridsen also deserve a shot.
- flyer_nutter

Sbisa played wing because of the cap situation more than anything. he never should have stuck with the team that year.

Gustafsson...I see why Berube isn't playing him, but at the same time he should be playing, because he's the best skater on the blueline. In terms of comparing him to Gostisbehere, not sure it applies. Gus was an unhearalded UFA signing. Gostisbehere has been a highly anticipated prospect coming off a Hobey Baker type season and a Frozen Four MVP.

Alt is in his first year as a professional and Lauridsen is basically a less wiley Grossmann.

I'm not against trading Brayden Schenn, but to do it just for the sake of trading him and saying he's not an asset is pretty asinine.

He's a 20 goal scoring 22 year old that struggles with consistency. God help us if Gostisbehere doesn't step in and play like PK Subban or Erik Karlsson
- Jsaquella

Not a 2nd line center. He isn't adding a real threat. No team is worried about him. Vinny on the other hand would garner some attention. That's what we need. Right now the flyers are only a 1 line scoring threat. Simmonds scores most of his goals on the PP.

Sbisa played wing because of the cap situation more than anything. he never should have stuck with the team that year.

Gustafsson...I see why Berube isn't playing him, but at the same time he should be playing, because he's the best skater on the blueline. In terms of comparing him to Gostisbehere, not sure it applies. Gus was an unhearalded UFA signing. Gostisbehere has been a highly anticipated prospect coming off a Hobey Baker type season and a Frozen Four MVP.

Alt is in his first year as a professional and Lauridsen is basically a less wiley Grossmann.
- Jsaquella

I'll go out and say it. I just flat out don't like the blueline. Far too one dimensional and overpaid. I like Coburn and Timonen but even MacDonald is approaching overpayment for what he brings.

The offense of this team is its strength, and I do generally like them as a group other than the anchor of LeCavalier and the chronically stupid guys.

There are some great pieces on this team, but I just look at other parts and wonder 'what the (frank)'.

Just a hater's thoughts though

Not a 2nd line center. He isn't adding a real threat. No team is worried about him. Vinny on the other hand would garner some attention. That's what we need. Right now the flyers are only a 1 line scoring threat. Simmonds scores most of his goals on the PP.
- GOA88

That's true. I think a big reason for that, in regards to that second line is that they have nobody to really carry the puck well. Which made me poop my pants when they were absolutely dominant with having Hartnell on the LW.

Raffl has Pyorala hands but the kid can carry the puck up and once in a while make a move 1 on 1 to beat a guy instead of the play being negated because he has someone on his ass.

Not a 2nd line center. He isn't adding a real threat. No team is worried about him. Vinny on the other hand would garner some attention. That's what we need. Right now the flyers are only a 1 line scoring threat. Simmonds scores most of his goals on the PP.
- GOA88

Lecavalier's best work has come against lesser competition. He doesn't garner extra attention, really at all. He's playing 4th line against other fourth lines for the most part.

Outside of a good start, he's been injured and inconsistent, and looked slow and uninvolved in game one.

That said, Schenn has battled consistency, like a lot of young players (JvR for example). I said earlier, I'd consider moving Lecavalier to 2nd line C, with Schenn dropping to 3rd line LW with Couturier & Read and Akeson playing with Lecavalier & Simmonds.

I just wouldn't expect a ton from that line.

Need goals. B. Schenn is the most average player I've ever seen. No redeeming qualities.
- GOA88

is this even possible?

I'll go out and say it. I just flat out don't like the blueline. Far too one dimensional and overpaid. I like Coburn and Timonen but even MacDonald is approaching overpayment for what he brings.

The offense of this team is its strength, and I do generally like them as a group other than the anchor of LeCavalier and the chronically stupid guys.

There are some great pieces on this team, but I just look at other parts and wonder 'what the (frank)'.

Just a hater's thoughts though
- flyer_nutter

There's pieces I dislike. I don't like Grossmann, indifferent on Luke Schenn. I'm OK with Streit, MacDonald and Coburn. Timonen would be better served as a 2nd pair guy at this point, but he's right there with Coburn as a 1-a.

That's what happens when you suddenly have to try to replace a HHOFer that you traded 4 1st rounders to acquire. You try to fill the holes the best you can.

is this even possible?
- hogweed

No. That player to me will always be (frank)ing Andreas Nodl. Useless warm body.

Im more on the side of ending the Luke Schenn experiment. Would rather just see Guss, or one of the AHL kids next year.

Luke bothers me a lot more than Brayden.
- flyer_nutter

The only thing luke doesn't struggle to shut (down) is the door on the bench...

Meh got bored half way thru the joke...

There's pieces I dislike. I don't like Grossmann, indifferent on Luke Schenn. I'm OK with Streit, MacDonald and Coburn. Timonen would be better served as a 2nd pair guy at this point, but he's right there with Coburn as a 1-a.

That's what happens when you suddenly have to try to replace a HHOFer that you traded 4 1st rounders to acquire. You try to fill the holes the best you can.
- Jsaquella

That I get. Is what it is for a reason for sure. Like they are trying to fill the need from within, but it took too long as an organization to figure that out. Like you, I don't like seeing Giroux's best years wasted.

Dany Heatley...reclamation project for Homer
- Jsaquella

i just puked a little

Don't like sending a message of panic, but I would go with the following in the future. Need to have players together that can help the transition game and move the puck up the ice.
Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-bSchenn-Simmonds
Akeson-Couturier-Read
Hall-LeCavalier-Rinaldo

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Macdonald
Guss-Grossmann/Gill

No. That player to me will always be (frank)ing Andreas Nodl. Useless warm body.
- flyer_nutter

you've gone too far! nodl never sniffed 20 goals and i think it way too premature to give up on a 22 yo who has shown some pretty decent play on occasion......plus i was saying is "most average" even possible.....average is average, que no?

That I get. Is what it is for a reason for sure. Like they are trying to fill the need from within, but it took too long as an organization to figure that out. Like you, I don't like seeing Giroux's best years wasted.
- flyer_nutter

I don't either. The problem is cost. You're not going to replace Pronger (or 33 year old Timonen for that matter) without trading a lot of assets.

they could have targeted defense more in the draft, but I think they really expected after Laughton that they would get either Suter or Weber, and have Schenn to be a solid 3rd pair guy.

It's easy to rip them for not having a plan B, but not many guys of that level around

you've gone too far! nodl never sniffed 20 goals and i think it way too premature to give up on a 22 yo who has shown some pretty decent play on occasion......plus i was saying is "most average" even possible.....average is average, que no?
- hogweed

JVR was 21 when he took a 40 point season with him up north, and he was very average here.
Except for one memorable playoff game

I don't either. The problem is cost. You're not going to replace Pronger (or 33 year old Timonen for that matter) without trading a lot of assets.

they could have targeted defense more in the draft, but I think they really expected after Laughton that they would get either Suter or Weber, and have Schenn to be a solid 3rd pair guy.

It's easy to rip them for not having a plan B, but not many guys of that level around
- Jsaquella

I always thought the plan all along was to get Pronger then begin to build a young defense through the draft. Pronger would keep them competitive until the young guys came up.

They got one playoff run with Pronger and gave up the equivalent of 4 first rounders for him.

Its just unlucky.

JVR was 21 when he took a 40 point season with him up north, and he was very average here.
Except for one memorable playoff game
- puckhead17

about 15 games in it looked like he would have the last laugh, too not so much right now. jury is still out on L schenn for me.....D men take longer to D-velop and in a couple years jvr might be in the khl