Did they bring McGinn back up after the last game for ADK?
- Tomahawk

Not sure. I thought it was VDV, but who knows. They'll all be up soon anyway.

Imagine... being thrown onto the ice against a tight checking and aggressive team like the Rangers... and you're asked to generate something... and then they put out Luke Schenn, Grossman, Rinaldo, and Hall as your team mates to get stuff done.

Good luck!

If he really played that bad so be it. Just think it's a little (frank)ing absurd that we expect Vinny to produce with those guys and Schenn gets to play 2nd line minutes and with much better players and does squat and he's still the greatest thing since the fleshlight.
- Flyersgod

The flip side is VL is going up against lesser players that he should be able to get the better of.

I'm not clear how it makes sense to bust B Schenn's chops while defending VL.

I'd be open to juggling the lines before game 2, for sure. I'd like to see Raffl, Hall & Rinaldo on that 4th line, because they were effective and could play 8 minutes a night on a regular basis.
- Jsaquella

Then play the 2nd line 8 minutes…?

Imagine... being thrown onto the ice against a tight checking and aggressive team like the Rangers... and you're asked to generate something... and then they put out Luke Schenn, Grossman, Rinaldo, and Hall as your team mates to get stuff done.

Good luck!

If he really played that bad so be it. Just think it's a little (frank)ing absurd that we expect Vinny to produce with those guys and Schenn gets to play 2nd line minutes and with much better players and does squat and he's still the greatest thing since the fleshlight.
- Flyersgod

The problem is, Hall and Rinaldo were forechecking effectively early in the game and were very active.

I'm not expecting Vinny to produce with those guys, I'm expecting him simply not be ineffective. No argument Schenn played poorly, but he's a 22 year old kid, still developing. Lecavalier is a 33 year old, former team captain and Cup winner. The bar for expectations should be set a bit higher for him.

Okay.

So did Read at 27 or whatever.

The point is a 22 year old scoring 20 goals is a player that could certainly put up more. He certainly hasn't hit his ceiling and this is only his 3rd full season? Right? Give the kid a few more years
- Giroux_Is_God

Who is better, Andrew Shaw in CHI or Brayden Schenn in PHI?

That might not be the best question.. answer if you wish.. but who would you rather have?

Imagine... being thrown onto the ice against a tight checking and aggressive team like the Rangers... and you're asked to generate something... and then they put out Luke Schenn, Grossman, Rinaldo, and Hall as your team mates to get stuff done.

Good luck!

If he really played that bad so be it. Just think it's a little (frank)ing absurd that we expect Vinny to produce with those guys and Schenn gets to play 2nd line minutes and with much better players and does squat and he's still the greatest thing since the fleshlight.
- Flyersgod

There's a big difference in there games, even when they are struggling offensively, there's far more to it than just scoring.
Vinny's foot speed almost seems nonexistent at times, like he's skating in sand.
Schenn did produce & uses his body well on the forecheck, as well as coming back to apply back pressure.
Outside of a PP one timer, not sure what else Vinny can bring?

The flip side is VL is going up against lesser players that he should be able to get the better of.

I'm not clear how it makes sense to bust B Schenn's chops while defending VL.
- wolfhounds

Hard to say VL is a bust when he's put up 400 goals and captained a team to the Cup.

Washed up? Hard to say he isn't after the season he's had.

Just seems to me that he takes the brunt of the comments from last game.

Who is better, Andrew Shaw in CHI or Brayden Schenn in PHI?

That might not be the best question.. answer if you wish.. but who would you rather have?
- Flyersgod

Uh...Schenn?

Is this one of those trick questions?

Who is better, Andrew Shaw in CHI or Brayden Schenn in PHI?

That might not be the best question.. answer if you wish.. but who would you rather have?
- Flyersgod

Schenn

Then play the 2nd line 8 minutes…?
- PhillySportsGuy

That's the issue. The "2nd" line is a mess, too. Simmonds has struggled outside of PP for a bit here and Schenn is still struggling to find consistency. You could try to put Lecavalier with them, but Vinny has to play the middle.

The trouble there is that Schenn & Vinny both like to set up in the high slot on the RW side. They could try 42-40-17 as a line and put Schenn with 14-24, Much as I like Raffl, he hasn't done well with 10-17, either.

So that gives you:

19-28-93
42-40-17
10-14-24
36-12-18

There's a big difference in there games, even when they are struggling offensively, there's far more to it than just scoring.
Vinny's foot speed almost seems nonexistent at times, like he's skating in sand.
Schenn did produce & uses his body well on the forecheck, as well as coming back to apply back pressure.
Outside of a PP one timer, not sure what else Vinny can bring?
- puckhead17

Yeah he really has looked pretty slow. I wonder if it's a system thing or maybe an injury thing. I don't know.

I expected him to be a difference maker out there. I don't think they use him right at all but still.

We should think about trading him soon. He's going to start declining at some point.
- PhillySportsGuy

Probably only has another 10-12 years in him. Best to move him now while he still has value.

Uh...Schenn?

Is this one of those trick questions?
- Giroux_Is_God

Was more of a trap question. Sorry man...

Andrew Shaw, 22 years old, playing on average less Ice Time per game than Brayden Schenn put up 20 goals. Why is Schenn awesome for scoring 20, but Shaw isn't?

Hard to say VL is a bust when he's put up 400 goals and captained a team to the Cup.

Washed up? Hard to say he isn't after the season he's had.

Just seems to me that he takes the brunt of the comments from last game.
- Flyersgod

The whole team blew last game, for the most part. G with zero shots is unacceptable. Same with Jake. No way would I single out or start with Vinny when putting together my list of underachievers from last game.

Who is better, Andrew Shaw in CHI or Brayden Schenn in PHI?

That might not be the best question.. answer if you wish.. but who would you rather have?
- Flyersgod

Shaw is probably a better overall player today, but tomorrow Schenn could be twice the player that he is.

Who is better, Andrew Shaw in CHI or Brayden Schenn in PHI?

That might not be the best question.. answer if you wish.. but who would you rather have?
- Flyersgod

Schenn has a higher upside. Shaw is more consistent right now and a better two way player. He's also played quite a bit with Patrick Kane which helped his numbers this year.

I'm by no means drawing a comparison between Shaw and Schenn, I know nothing of Shaw. However, their numbers are close.

Shaw: 165gp 41g 36a 77pts +17 164PIM
Schenn: 192gp 40g 47a 87pts -17 112PIM

That's the issue. The "2nd" line is a mess, too. Simmonds has struggled outside of PP for a bit here and Schenn is still struggling to find consistency. You could try to put Lecavalier with them, but Vinny has to play the middle.

The trouble there is that Schenn & Vinny both like to set up in the high slot on the RW side. They could try 42-40-17 as a line and put Schenn with 14-24, Much as I like Raffl, he hasn't done well with 10-17, either.

So that gives you:

19-28-93
42-40-17
10-14-24
36-12-18
- Jsaquella

It just seems like a lot of work to try and accommodate Vinny.

Schenn may not be scoring but he doesn't kill you defensively. He ends up being even on most nights.

Vinny either scores or ends up on the ice for goals against. Its so boom or bust with him.

I'm by no means drawing a comparison between Shaw and Schenn, I know nothing of Shaw. However, their numbers are close.

Shaw: 165gp 41g 36a 77pts +17 164PIM
Schenn: 192gp 40g 47a 87pts -17 112PIM
- Flyersgod

Shaw's a terrific player -- no shame in the comparison at all.

Shaw is probably a better overall player today, but tomorrow Schenn could be twice the player that he is.
- Tomahawk

This. What is it based off of?

Probably only has another 10-12 years in him. Best to move him now while he still has value.
- jmatchett383

Homer should have moved him a while ago. This is only going to get worse. SUCH AN IDIOT

That's the issue. The "2nd" line is a mess, too. Simmonds has struggled outside of PP for a bit here and Schenn is still struggling to find consistency. You could try to put Lecavalier with them, but Vinny has to play the middle.

The trouble there is that Schenn & Vinny both like to set up in the high slot on the RW side. They could try 42-40-17 as a line and put Schenn with 14-24, Much as I like Raffl, he hasn't done well with 10-17, either.

So that gives you:

19-28-93
42-40-17
10-14-24
36-12-18
- Jsaquella

Schenn, Raffl and Simmonds had 6 of our 15 shots. That being said, there's no reason not to mix things up while looking for better combinations.

That's the issue. The "2nd" line is a mess, too. Simmonds has struggled outside of PP for a bit here and Schenn is still struggling to find consistency. You could try to put Lecavalier with them, but Vinny has to play the middle.

The trouble there is that Schenn & Vinny both like to set up in the high slot on the RW side. They could try 42-40-17 as a line and put Schenn with 14-24, Much as I like Raffl, he hasn't done well with 10-17, either.

So that gives you:

19-28-93
42-40-17
10-14-24
36-12-18
- Jsaquella

yes and it worries me, he doesn't seem his usual self, i was hoping the playoffs would bring it back

This. What is it based off of?
- Flyersgod

Schenn was twice the junior player that Shaw was. Of course, that could mean nothing, or it could mean everything. Hard to say at this point.

Was more of a trap question. Sorry man...

Andrew Shaw, 22 years old, playing on average less Ice Time per game than Brayden Schenn put up 20 goals. Why is Schenn awesome for scoring 20, but Shaw isn't?
- Flyersgod

I knew all of this already. I still pick Schenn.

The answer is because Schenn has a much much higher ceiling than Shaw, was drafted in the top 10, and was considered the best prospect in hockey for years. He's scored at every level he's played at, he's been developed slowly by the Kings and only stepped into the NHL when he was ready.

His first full NHL season he was a 20 goal scorer. He's still a kid. There's going to be the inconsistencies. As he develops more in the NHL, I trust those inconsistencies are going to decrease in...magnitude for lack of a better word.

There's no reason to hate on the kid. He's only going to get better and even if he doesn't, then we have a "depth" forward who can pot 25. Sweet.

EDIT: Let's not forget the whole Patrick Kane thing, like Jsaq said