For the record, you admit you're insane? Bookmarked!
- Flyersgod

just this page? there are literally hundreds is not thousand of pages on this site which would indicate this.

Get out of here with your advanced mathemagics
- BulliesPhan87

STATS IS NOT MATH AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME OTHERWISE

In stats, you ASSUME the data is normally distributed and you ASSUME your equations are valid and you ASSUME you're going to get a horrendous grade on your exam

In math, you PROVE things. You PROVE why your equations are valid then you use them.

Stats lies to us all.

Calculus is fun. Stats is not.

IMO there is no controversy. If Mason is healthy is plays. But the way Emery has played there is no reason to bring Mason back if he is only 70-80%. Like I said early on this thread no matter who played these 2 games, the series would still be tied at 1.
- Daveflyers36

There's no controversey now. But if they go with Mason and he plays poorly, there will be.

So we're on the same page

- steelydan

for the most part, yes.

Here is my prediction with regard to the goaltenders. I highly doubt Mason will be ready to play tomorrow, especially since today is only an optional practice for the players.

Emery goes in game 3. If he plays well and the Flyers win, he will be back in there for game 4. If not, Mason will get the call Friday night.
- PLindbergh31

Oh, you're SO wrong. Even if Emery makes 76 saves in a 7-OT shutout, he doesn't get to play if Mason's healthy because they have a label attached to them. If Emery plays like Patrick Roy, it doesn't matter, because he's "the backup" and that's bad.

STATS IS NOT MATH AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME OTHERWISE

In stats, you ASSUME the data is normally distributed and you ASSUME your equations are valid and you ASSUME you're going to get a horrendous grade on your exam

In math, you PROVE things. You PROVE why your equations are valid then you use them.

Stats lies to us all.

Calculus is fun. Stats is not.
- Giroux_Is_God

Geez, you need to get out more!!

Oh, you're SO wrong. Even if Emery makes 76 saves in a 7-OT shutout, he doesn't get to play if Mason's healthy because they have a label attached to them. If Emery plays like Patrick Roy, it doesn't matter, because he's "the backup" and that's bad.
- jmatchett383

LOL, could you BE more drastic?

Geez, you need to get out more!!
- BiggE

I refuse to be judged

I love calc. Got a 5 on my AP test

Oh, so if HE plays poorly, he gets to go back in because he's "the starter," but if Emery plays poorly, you don't go with him because he's "the backup." Gotcha. I didn't know they had those labels on their jerseys.
- jmatchett383

If Mason didn't get hurt, and was in net the whole time. And he played poorly in one of the games, would he not be back in net the next game?

Are you disputing that Mason is the clear cut #1, and Emery is the backup?

Similarly...and I used my statistics class to come to this conclusion:

The probability of success given low standards is significant.

In other words,
P(Success|Low Standards) ~ 1
- Giroux_Is_God

So...stats are math?

Geez, you need to get out more!!
- BiggE

the eyeball test confirms this

If Mason didn't get hurt, and was in net the whole time. And he played poorly in one of the games, would he not be back in net the next game?

Are you disputing that Mason is the clear cut #1, and Emery is the backup?
- MJL

No, what I AM disputing is that, if Emery is playing well and the team is responding positively to it, then you run with him. Same way Carolina played better with Ward than Gerber in 2006, despite the "starter" status that Gerber had.

LOL, could you BE more drastic?
- steelydan

Much, much more so, yes.

Oh, so if HE plays poorly, he gets to go back in because he's "the starter," but if Emery plays poorly, you don't go with him because he's "the backup." Gotcha. I didn't know they had those labels on their jerseys.
- jmatchett383

These aren't "labels". These are roles that were EARNED over a course of an 82-game season. I love that you just assume that Mason was named starter for some arbitrary reason and therefore can lay claim to the title. No. It's because he out-performed Emery the entire season and was rewarded with a contract. Additionally, he played solid hockey up until his injury. Say what you want, but this is his team to start on. If he's ready to go on Tuesday or Friday, they will gladly slide him in and pull out Emery. And the majority of fans will be happy. Except those who put too much stock in arbitrary labels. They will likely be devastated.

I think so also, but I think Mason get's there quicker and gives him more time to adjust to the flutter shot. Can't know for sure obviously, but I think Mason get's that one.
- MJL

he probably does. and like you said, there's no way we'll ever know. i'm speaking from personal experience on the flutter shots. timing, and what you're expecting to happen play a large part.

i play in 2 leagues right now, A and B on back to to back nights. A first, then B. i have a harder time in B, and sometimes give up several more goals because of the pace...everything slows down and sometimes i can't adjust. it's frustrating.

No, what I AM disputing is that, if Emery is playing well and the team is responding positively to it, then you run with him. Same way Carolina played better with Ward than Gerber in 2006, despite the "starter" status that Gerber had.
- jmatchett383

I guess we disagree. If Mason is deemed 100% healthy, he's in the nets in my opinion.
And it's not really the same situation. Gerber was pulled because he wasn't playing well. And they went with Ward. This is clearly a different situation.

Much, much more so, yes.
- jmatchett383

how about less?

he probably does. and like you said, there's no way we'll ever know. i'm speaking from personal experience on the flutter shots. timing, and what you're expecting to happen play a large part.

i play in 2 leagues right now, A and B on back to to back nights. A first, then B. i have a harder time in B, and sometimes give up several more goals because of the pace...everything slows down and sometimes i can't adjust. it's frustrating.
- hammarby31

There is no doubt that those change of pace shots can be tricky. Seen that happen to a lot of goalies. Emery has done a solid job, and played well.

These aren't "labels". These are roles that were EARNED over a course of an 82-game season. I love that you just assume that Mason was named starter for some arbitrary reason and therefore can lay claim to the title. No. It's because he out-performed Emery the entire season and was rewarded with a contract. Additionally, he played solid hockey up until his injury. Say what you want, but this is his team to start on. If he's ready to go on Tuesday or Friday, they will gladly slide him in and pull out Emery. And the majority of fans will be happy. Except those who put too much stock in arbitrary labels. They will likely be devastated.
- steelydan

Mason was named the starter based on a season of play where he, statistically and on non-statistically, was a better player. That is why he earned the starter status. There was nothing arbitrary about it.

Now that it's the playoff, you have a goalie who just turned in two performances where no goalie would be able (correction: "expected") to win in Game 1, and who basically just stole you a playoff road win. So, I don't care about their roles or titles. He was given a chance, and succeeded, and I'd reward him with another start, regardless of his "role."

I guess we disagree. If Mason is deemed 100% healthy, he's in the nets in my opinion.
And it's not really the same situation. Gerber was pulled because he wasn't playing well. And they went with Ward. This is clearly a different situation.
- MJL

But you just said that you'd stick with Mason and give him another start even if he didn't play well. So yes, it is the same thing.

If he plays poorly, you come right back with him in the next game.
- MJL

Mason was named the starter based on a season of play where he, statistically and on non-statistically, was a better player. That is why he earned the starter status. There was nothing arbitrary about it.

Now that it's the playoff, you have a goalie who just turned in two performances where no goalie would be able (correction: "expected") to win in Game 1, and who basically just stole you a playoff road win. So, I don't care about their roles or titles. He was given a chance, and succeeded, and I'd reward him with another start, regardless of his "role."
- jmatchett383

So let's say that Claude Giroux was out injured. And his replacement player played very well in the two games, while Giroux was out, and the Flyers won those games. If Giroux is ready for game 3, would you not put him in the lineup and right back on the top line?

But you just said that you'd stick with Mason and give him another start even if he didn't play well. So yes, it is the same thing.
- jmatchett383

Yes, I would. One game would not be enough for me to pull the #1 and go with the backup. How many games did Gerber play in the playoffs before being pulled for Ward?

You know what guys, you're right: we should never, ever reward good play with more playing time based on labels and roles earned over a season. Jason Akeson should not be playing, because he was labelled as an AHLer all season. Steve Downie should be on the third line because that was his position all year.

So let's say that Claude Giroux was out injured. And his replacement player played very well in the two games, while Giroux was out, and the Flyers won those games. If Giroux is ready for game 3, would you not put him in the lineup and right back on the top line?
- MJL

You can put 18 skaters onto your roster, so of course you can. How many goalies can you play at once?

that was simply not a penalty. the referee sees contact and calls what he thinks he sees, not what actually happened. absolute (frank)ing horse poop.
- hammarby31

the Grossmann call on Nash was bogus too

Grossmann is entitled to his ice there, just because Nash tried to go through him does not make it interference