Okay shut up!
- JoeRussomanno

Goodnight, Joe. From a real person to another. I feel like we made a connection tonight.

seriously, I'm out. peace

I blame the fans for the PP tonight
- Just5

i blame lou nolan.

Just left the WFC... Had a couple of observations

1) The place was electric at the start of the game... Flyers dominated the flow of the game, until the first goal. After that, the place seemed deflated.

2) Jake, and the whole couts line played a hell of a game. Jake was all over the place, and the couts line, while it didn't generate a ton of shots, they held possession and cycled the puck well all night.

3) Emery had a really rough night. The first goal, if, either he gloves it, or he lets it go, it isntba goal. The fact that he tried to play it, and mishandled it led to the rangers goal. Personally, I don't believe that happens if mason is in there. The second goal... Outside of what looked like interference on the other side of the ice before the goal, nothing could he done about it. The 3rd goal... My god, that might have been the worst of the them all. An unscreened shot from the point, he let in over his left shoulder. It was awful watching that go in. The last goal... Typical after a pp. Pp cycles the puck well, controls play and generated shots, then immediately after the pp, ny gains possession and carcillo tips it in. A goalie like mason, with better lateral movement, wouldn't have had a problem with that.

4) Live, it felt like the flyers controlled the majority of the play. Most of the rangers shots were contained to the outside.

Goodnight, Joe. From a real person to another. I feel like we made a connection tonight.

seriously, I'm out. peace
- feelingkettle

If it makes you feel better, your witty quips at my stupidity make me laugh. goodnight real person

Of the homer era is to end, then i want a complete revamp of that front office. Time to totally clean house imo. Are they the islanders? No but this market is big enough that they should have iced at least one cup winner in the last 3rd of a century.
- JoeRussomanno

but they've been to the playoffs a bunch of times. thats successful right?

In the 26+ years Ive followed this team, the closest they got was 1 win, and I was too young to have really cared all that much.
Are they the islanders? no. But when teams like Tampa, carolina, Anaheim win, and the franchises are younger than I am, it begs to ask what are they doing right?

i want them to actually develop their players. I think its proven that constantly trying to pick one from another team isn't going to get it done anymore without completely gutting your team/future someplace else.

Personally, I think the organization is too quick to give up on their youth because they are so geared towards winning now as opposed to winning in 2-3 years from now.
- the deaninator

I'm not sure the last few years that they've given up on the youth more so than the youth was maybe just not that good to begin with. It's pretty much impossible to figure out whether they develop players incorrectly or they just don't make good picks outside round 1. Who is the last decent young player they've traded?

Just left the WFC... Had a couple of observations

1) The place was electric at the start of the game... Flyers dominated the flow of the game, until the first goal. After that, the place seemed deflated.

2) Jake, and the whole couts line played a hell of a game. Jake was all over the place, and the couts line, while it didn't generate a ton of shots, they held possession and cycled the puck well all night.

3) Emery had a really rough night. The first goal, if, either he gloves it, or he lets it go, it isntba goal. The fact that he tried to play it, and mishandled it led to the rangers goal. Personally, I don't believe that happens if mason is in there. The second goal... Outside of what looked like interference on the other side of the ice before the goal, nothing could he done about it. The 3rd goal... My god, that might have been the worst of the them all. An unscreened shot from the point, he let in over his left shoulder. It was awful watching that go in. The last goal... Typical after a pp. Pp cycles the puck well, controls play and generated shots, then immediately after the pp, ny gains possession and carcillo tips it in. A goalie like mason, with better lateral movement, wouldn't have had a problem with that.

4) Live, it felt like the flyers controlled the majority of the play. Most of the rangers shots were contained to the outside.
- fecondo

I thought the 3rd goal was deflected on the way in? I could be wrong about that.

The Rangers played better than the Flyers did tonight. That wasn't Game 7 and it's not the end of the world.

The Flyers will get a boost when Mason comes back and they'll take Game 4.

Everyone. Calm. Down.
- johndewar

good to try to be the voice of reason, but i'm just a lot sick of this pattern: great, gut-check win to steal home ice back followed by taking a huge dump in front of the home crowd......

I'm not sure the last few years that they've given up on the youth more so than the youth was maybe just not that good to begin with. It's pretty much impossible to figure out whether they develop players incorrectly or they just don't make good picks outside round 1. Who is the last decent young player they've traded?
- eayost

jvr.

Well he is a rookie, a little unfair for that.

However... To have as many advantages as the Flyers have with being a good destination for FA and unlimited cash.

To not be able to ice an NHL worthy fourth line, or have simply "warm" bodies is not good enough.
- flyer_nutter

Unfortunately there is a salary cap and if you want ice a d-corp where you are paying each rough 3-5 mil and the same with forwards.....your fourth line is going to suffer.

I'm not sure the last few years that they've given up on the youth more so than the youth was maybe just not that good to begin with. It's pretty much impossible to figure out whether they develop players incorrectly or they just don't make good picks outside round 1. Who is the last decent young player they've traded?
- eayost

jvr....but i agree that they aren't drafting wizards to begin with

good to try to be the voice of reason, but i'm just a lot sick of this pattern: great, gut-check win to steal home ice back followed by taking a huge dump in front of the home crowd......
- hogweed

it's infuriating.

the habs, rangers, red wings, hawks, and bruins all say hi.
- hammarby31

Have they had bad luck? Sure, its pretty bad when a vezina winning goalie goes and plays chicken with a brick wall in a porsche, it sucks lindros couldnt stay healthy, it sucks leon stickle was ever allowed to a referee... But theres been so many things under their control that they absolutely (frank)ed up its nauseating. Is it their year this year? Probably not but looking at the last two to three offseasons its pretty easy to see why its not their year this year .

jvr.
- hammarby31

Yea I thought about him after I hit submit, but in the Flyers minds, they got another good young player back. Obviously their interpretation of what they got back is up for debate still. I never had a sense they "gave up" on him more than they moved him for what they thought was a need... except they really needed a mobile Dman instead. :/

Edit: Giving up on a guy IMO is trading Patrick Sharp for Matt Ellison

it's infuriating.
- hammarby31

sure is.....all they needed to do after game 2 was to hold on home ice and they win the series. now they will have to do the impossible and win a second game at msg

I'm not sure the last few years that they've given up on the youth more so than the youth was maybe just not that good to begin with. It's pretty much impossible to figure out whether they develop players incorrectly or they just don't make good picks outside round 1. Who is the last decent young player they've traded?
- eayost

I think its more that the players they draft don't really ever pan out, which is why they don't develop. Scouting is definitely a problem, outside of the first round. I think I remember hearing Pronger in an interview last year, when they drafted Morin, that there was a rift in the draft room, and that some wanted morin while other scouts wanted to go in a different direction towards a more mobile defensemen ( I cant remember the name he said though).
also, using a 4th round pick on a guy who almost all professional analysts and scouts said would have probably been there in the 6th if not undrafted (goulbourne) says a lot about talent evaluation.

It occurred to me the other day... Its almost 7 years since the conclusion of '07... And the two years after that we got bounced by pittsburgh where it became morbidly obvious this team needs a dman who can move the puck out of the zone... If they employed the appropriate strategy of drafting one then, we would have one now.
- JoeRussomanno

the 1 dman we have that can move the puck is in the press box meanwhile we got coburn making the same stupid mistakes game in and out still out there

but they've been to the playoffs a bunch of times. thats successful right?

In the 26+ years Ive followed this team, the closest they got was 1 win, and I was too young to have really cared all that much.
Are they the islanders? no. But when teams like Tampa, carolina, Anaheim win, and the franchises are younger than I am, it begs to ask what are they doing right?
- the deaninator

They do a lot of things right but they do a lot of things wrong and seemingly refuse to change... Is it really so hard to go out and hire scouts so as to be able to draft better dmen? Just an example and not splurging on overpriced free agents would be another.

I thought the 3rd goal was deflected on the way in? I could be wrong about that.
- FlyerGuy

Actually, that would make a lot of sense. I mean I sat in 206,.so I was off to the left of center, but it looked from my angle that he was unscreened. Plus they called it, live that is, girardis goal. But being deflected would make a lot of sense.

Have they had bad luck? Sure, its pretty bad when a vezina winning goalie goes and plays chicken with a brick wall in a porsche, it sucks lindros couldnt stay healthy, it sucks leon stickle was ever allowed to a referee... But theres been so many things under their control that they absolutely (frank)ed up its nauseating. Is it their year this year? Probably not but looking at the last two to three offseasons its pretty easy to see why its not their year this year .
- JoeRussomanno

But are they on a better path right now to be in good shape 3-4 years from now? They have a bunch of decent forwards who are fairly young. They have a good goalie who is fairly young. The final key is whether some of these defensemen actually pan out. I think they're on a better path today to be successful in a few years than they were just a couple years ago

Yea I thought about him after I hit submit, but in the Flyers minds, they got another good young player back. Obviously their interpretation of what they got back is up for debate still. I never had a sense they "gave up" on him more than they moved him for what they thought was a need... except they really needed a mobile Dman instead. :/

Edit: Giving up on a guy IMO is trading Patrick Sharp for Matt Ellison
- eayost

With that said, I think Luke h as plzyed very well so far

WATCH OUT FOR NIETO WATCH OUT FOR NIETO

With that said, I think Luke h as plzyed very well so far
- KINGKENZO

i've been happy with luke schenn
we should look to trade coburn and have schenn replace him

I think its more that the players they draft don't really ever pan out, which is why they don't develop. Scouting is definitely a problem, outside of the first round. I think I remember hearing Pronger in an interview last year, when they drafted Morin, that there was a rift in the draft room, and that some wanted morin while other scouts wanted to go in a different direction towards a more mobile defensemen ( I cant remember the name he said though).
also, using a 4th round pick on a guy who almost all professional analysts and scouts said would have probably been there in the 6th if not undrafted (goulbourne) says a lot about talent evaluation.
- the deaninator

Agree it's annoying they still waste picks on goons in the middle of the draft. Occasionally actual NHL players come out of there (i.e. Jamie Benn). It's possible though that their 2011 and on drafts turn out well, but we won't know until a few more years. They may have already made some of the solid picks needed for the future.

Or they blew it again

I went to the game tonight. Incredibly pissed I paid money to watch that in person. I thought the reffing was atrocious, but you really cant blame that because every chance the Flyers had to take control of the game they blew. Whats the general feeling towards the game?