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xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Apr 23 @ 2:11 AM ET
I read something about saying Giroux isn't an elite player if he can't make his teammates better but I disagree with that statement. Crosby doesn't make his players better, his linemates still suck. Kunitz is ok but the other Scrubs they add to the top line like Stemniak, Bennett or Gibbons any better. Sure you can take pressure of them and get them the puck but it is up to them to do something with it. Hartnell is too streaky. When he hot he plays like a top line guy but when he isn't he brings the entire line down. He makes awful passes and often loses races to pucks. I missed tonight's game as they had the dumb basketball game on TSN instead but PP is hurting this team and I don't feel as if the top line is getting enough ice time
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Apr 23 @ 3:13 AM ET
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

The Flyers continue to play into the Rangers game plan. The game was completely dictated by the Rangers.

The Rangers gap control, defensive zone coverage, aggressive forecheck, tremendous defensive collapses and stellar shot blocking feel as though they're tailor-made to disrupt the Flyers specifically.

Claude Giroux
The Rangers have absolutely neutralized Giroux. He's getting clipped, chopped, slashed, held up, cross checked and outright interfered with nearly every time he's near the disc. Giroux, in turn, is focusing more on retaliation and exerting energy 'trying to draw' a penalty opposed to just playing his game. Giroux isn't the speediest of forwards and obviously not the strongest. When he dictates the play and slows the game down, he's able to work his creative magic and open up options. I haven't seen him play the game his way yet. Unless he's ready and willing to claw and scratch through the Rangers checkers I'm afraid he'll remain to be the player we've seen through 3 games. A decent player but not a dominant, all-star/superstar player with the ability to take over the game.

Officiating
I thought there were a couple obvious calls that weren't whistled. In particular one against Giroux who started a rush in the neutral zone and upon moving the puck to the left winger was absolutely clipped/interfered with as the line rush was developing. Another tragic missed call was a stick hold on Couturier by Staal as Staal was beaten along the boards. A pathetic 'even up' call was made later against Carcillo who I thought made a solid defensive play but was penalized for it.

Ray Emery
That first goal was tragic indeed. Bad goal. He almost made the save too but it really should have never happened. You either glove that cross or you let it whizz by. The Carcillo goal was a tough break but nothing I'd consider 'soft'.

Hartnell has been solid. Couturier as well. Voracek has been down right beastly.

Still kind of waiting for Read and Brayden Schenn to show me some something.

Unless the Flyers adjust and switch up their strategy this series is over very quickly. The Rangers have the book, bible and cliff notes on the Flyers and they're executing it perfectly.

Finally, the Flyers PP has been utterly dissected, studied and negated by New York. I say kill the umbrella look and switch it up. Let Voracek play the role of Giroux and qb it.

Would love to see Jake on the PK.
Ondrej F
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Prague
Joined: 02.17.2010

Apr 23 @ 4:46 AM ET
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

The Flyers continue to play into the Rangers game plan. The game was completely dictated by the Rangers.

The Rangers gap control, defensive zone coverage, aggressive forecheck, tremendous defensive collapses and stellar shot blocking feel as though they're tailor-made to disrupt the Flyers specifically.

Claude Giroux
The Rangers have absolutely neutralized Giroux. He's getting clipped, chopped, slashed, held up, cross checked and outright interfered with nearly every time he's near the disc. Giroux, in turn, is focusing more on retaliation and exerting energy 'trying to draw' a penalty opposed to just playing his game. Giroux isn't the speediest of forwards and obviously not the strongest. When he dictates the play and slows the game down, he's able to work his creative magic and open up options. I haven't seen him play the game his way yet. Unless he's ready and willing to claw and scratch through the Rangers checkers I'm afraid he'll remain to be the player we've seen through 3 games. A decent player but not a dominant, all-star/superstar player with the ability to take over the game.

Officiating
I thought there were a couple obvious calls that weren't whistled. In particular one against Giroux who started a rush in the neutral zone and upon moving the puck to the left winger was absolutely clipped/interfered with as the line rush was developing. Another tragic missed call was a stick hold on Couturier by Staal as Staal was beaten along the boards. A pathetic 'even up' call was made later against Carcillo who I thought made a solid defensive play but was penalized for it.

Ray Emery
That first goal was tragic indeed. Bad goal. He almost made the save too but it really should have never happened. You either glove that cross or you let it whizz by. The Carcillo goal was a tough break but nothing I'd consider 'soft'.

Hartnell has been solid. Couturier as well. Voracek has been down right beastly.

Still kind of waiting for Read and Brayden Schenn to show me some something.

Unless the Flyers adjust and switch up their strategy this series is over very quickly. The Rangers have the book, bible and cliff notes on the Flyers and they're executing it perfectly.

Finally, the Flyers PP has been utterly dissected, studied and negated by New York. I say kill the umbrella look and switch it up. Let Voracek play the role of Giroux and qb it.

Would love to see Jake on the PK.

- Pixote Andolini


jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Apr 23 @ 6:45 AM ET
Voracek only got two minutes for roughing?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:01 AM ET
When Mason gets between the pipes....

Look out.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 23 @ 7:04 AM ET
Voracek only got two minutes for roughing?
- jimbo83


Consider both teams fortunate on that. Flyers top line RW only sat for 2 but Hagelin wasn't tossed for fight without jersey tied down.
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:12 AM ET
Consider both teams fortunate on that. Flyers top line RW only sat for 2 but Hagelin wasn't tossed for fight without jersey tied down.
- bmeltzer


fight? you saw a fight?

I saw a mugging, how did Hagelin even get a roughing? that was Schultz vs Dale Rolfe 40 years later
RobFlyers#1
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.22.2009

Apr 23 @ 7:12 AM ET
Berube HAS to make a change in the flyers game. The Rangers again last night blocked 29 shots....shots from the point are not working. They have to spread the NY D out and create better shooting lanes. They also need to start dumping the puck with a purpose... They dump but nobody retrieves it. It's just picked up by a ranger d-man and out of the zone it goes. It's been way to easy for the Ranger defence. If they do not figure something out soon it will just be another disappointing flyer season.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:21 AM ET
fight? you saw a fight?

I saw a mugging, how did Hagelin even get a roughing? that was Schultz vs Dale Rolfe 40 years later

- jimbo83


Guess you didn't see how Hagelin dropped his gloves first. Oh well.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:22 AM ET
fight? you saw a fight?

I saw a mugging, how did Hagelin even get a roughing? that was Schultz vs Dale Rolfe 40 years later

- jimbo83

Bro Hagelin dropped his gl-

ugh never mind
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:22 AM ET
Berube HAS to make a change in the flyers game. The Rangers again last night blocked 29 shots....shots from the point are not working. They have to spread the NY D out and create better shooting lanes. They also need to start dumping the puck with a purpose... They dump but nobody retrieves it. It's just picked up by a ranger d-man and out of the zone it goes. It's been way to easy for the Ranger defence. If they do not figure something out soon it will just be another disappointing flyer season.
- RobFlyers#1

I don't think this season was even close to a disappointment but what do I know
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:23 AM ET
When Mason gets between the pipes....

Look out.

- Giroux_Is_God


Not sure he is the answer but if he can play, go for it.

On a side note, just love seeing this comments in the press from that class act carcillo. What a douche. Almost as classy as when he came out and said that Leighton cost the flyers the cup all by himself in 2010. Just keep your mouth shut.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:24 AM ET
Guess you didn't see how Hagelin dropped his gloves first. Oh well.
- Hextall271


You gotta get up pretty early to beat Rangers trolls, even after they win.
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:24 AM ET
Guess you didn't see how Hagelin dropped his gloves first. Oh well.
- Hextall271


"i know what punches are" - Forrest Gump at his first hockey game
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:25 AM ET
You gotta get up pretty early to beat Rangers trolls, even after they win.
- tangent_man


Voracek got two for roughing
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Apr 23 @ 7:25 AM ET
I think the lesson learned here is the Flyers cannot trade players because those players will score goals against the Flyers. From Carter to Dan "The Man" Carcillo doesn't matter.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:29 AM ET
Voracek got two for roughing
- jimbo83


So did Hagelin, and if his jersey was tied down it wouldn't have come up over his head, and he might have been able to defend himself a bit better.

Both teams were lucky, as Bill pointed out above, that only roughing penalties were handed out.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Apr 23 @ 7:35 AM ET
I think the lesson learned here is the Flyers cannot trade players because those players will score goals against the Flyers. From Carter to Dan "The Man" Carcillo doesn't matter.
- Streit2ThePoint


That Carcillo goal could just as easily have not gone in. The puck was bouncing and just happened to clip the shaft of his stick and flit though Emery. Those are the bounces the Flyers would kill for, but aren't getting - at all - this series.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:42 AM ET
That Carcillo goal could just as easily have not gone in. The puck was bouncing and just happened to clip the shaft of his stick and flit though Emery. Those are the bounces the Flyers would kill for, but aren't getting - at all - this series.
- tangent_man

For further information, please consult CSP's save on Hartnell
RobFlyers#1
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.22.2009

Apr 23 @ 7:44 AM ET
I don't think this season was even close to a disappointment but what do I know
- Giroux_Is_God


Really? You add Lecavalier and Streit in the off-season and then lose to a team in my opinion is not as good because your not playing up to your potential is not a disappointment? Sorry it is to me.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Apr 23 @ 7:44 AM ET
Does anyone want to say that Emery should be starter still? If you do.... Go jump off a bridge.
RobFlyers#1
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.22.2009

Apr 23 @ 7:47 AM ET
Does anyone want to say that Emery should be starter still? If you do.... Go jump off a bridge.
- GOA88


Mason is the better goalie but they did not lose because of Emery.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 23 @ 7:50 AM ET
Berube HAS to make a change in the flyers game. The Rangers again last night blocked 29 shots....shots from the point are not working. They have to spread the NY D out and create better shooting lanes. They also need to start dumping the puck with a purpose... They dump but nobody retrieves it. It's just picked up by a ranger d-man and out of the zone it goes. It's been way to easy for the Ranger defence. If they do not figure something out soon it will just be another disappointing flyer season.
- RobFlyers#1


The Flyers have made adjustments. They skated, broke out of the D zone, forechecked and cycled better in Game 3 than they did in Game 2; Game 2 was better than Game 1. Last night, they spent long segments of time in the New York end of the ice. But they do need to do a better job in getting shots off faster and on net. Easier said than done.

Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 23 @ 7:52 AM ET
Mason is the better goalie but they did not lose because of Emery.
- RobFlyers#1


Agreed. But that first goal was an outright misplay by Emery, which took some air out of the Flyers' balloon for about 10-12 minutes after they strung a few good shifts together very early. By the time the Flyers got going again late in the first period, they were in a 2-0 hole.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Apr 23 @ 7:53 AM ET
Mason is the better goalie but they did not lose because of Emery.
- RobFlyers#1

Mason at least gives you a chance to win. Soft goals change the whole dynamic of a game. The only goal that was not soft was the St.Louis tip-in. Even the analyst will say that Emery needs to make that stop on the Girardi one-timer. The effort was just not good enough. The Flyers PP on the other hand was also a reason for the loss. Way too stationary, needs more movement.
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