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Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:43 AM ET
Thats a real problem if our Coach feels Simmonds is playing 3-4 minutes a night better than Voracek
- Just5


No excusing Berube for his butchering of minutes. He is coaching 90s style.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
We get Pittsburgh or Columbus
- BiggE


Bob vs. Mason would be pretty cool
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
And Steve Downie was (frank)ing awesome in December. That matters about as much as a pisshole in a snowbank when he's playing like crap in April.
- Jsaquella



But the bottom line to me, is that pretty much every forward is playing like crap for the most part. With a few exceptions and in certain spans of games. The Flyers forwards for the most part, as a whole have been dsapointing in this series. Starting with Giroux, Simmonds, who has been awful, Hartnell, Read, Schenn. All need to be much better. Not just Lecavalier.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
Bob vs. Mason would be pretty cool
- eayost


How many goals you think Bob scores on us?
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Apr 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
I'm sure you guys discussed it when I wasn't around - but thoughts on cooke's suspension?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
Again I disagree - it does matter because the regular season gets you to the play-offs.
As an example in the locker room alone he has value. Do I want him to play better - hell yes!
But I'm not going to declare him a horrendous player because he's not playing past my expectations in the play-offs.

- FlyersGrace


If he was within a $20 cab ride of my expectations I wouldn't complain. Unfortunately, he hasn't even approached meeting my expectations.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
Again I disagree - it does matter because the regular season gets you to the play-offs.
As an example in the locker room alone he has value. Do I want him to play better - hell yes!
But I'm not going to declare him a horrendous player because he's not playing past my expectations in the play-offs.

- FlyersGrace


We could've put a traffic cone in the locker room and save a lot of cap space
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
How many goals you think Bob scores on us?
- Flyersgod


Umberger too
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
If he was within a $20 cab ride of my expectations I wouldn't complain. Unfortunately, he hasn't even approached meeting my expectations.
- Jsaquella


Who has?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
Schenn has done nothing over three games. Neither has Vinny. Only one is punished. Sounds familiar.
- Flyersgod


It was Vinny's hard shot on the powerplay that created the Flyers second goal in game 2.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Bob vs. Mason would be pretty cool
- eayost


cant wait....we need to win Friday so the flyers can get some rest for the next series......yawn
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
But the bottom line to me, is that pretty much every forward is playing like crap for the most part. With a few exceptions and in certain spans of games. The Flyers forwards for the most part, as a whole have been dsapointing in this series. Starting with Giroux, Simmonds, who has been awful, Hartnell, Read, Schenn. All need to be much better. Not just Lecavalier.
- MJL


Not saying Lecavalier's alone at all.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Who has?
- Flyersgod


Akeson, Couturier, Luke Schenn
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
I didn't forget that he was shooting over 35% over the first few weeks of the season.

He's an awful player at even-strength, imo.

- bradleyc4



That's the ability of a player like Lecavalier as a goal scorer. He has the ability to get hot, and can do that in the playoffs. He's not an awful player at ES. He needs to play in the right spot and with the right players. Like it is with most players. He's an offensive player, who is capable of scoring from anywhere at anytime. That's his value.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
Not saying Lecavalier's alone at all.
- Jsaquella



I know you're not. I'm just making a point.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
He just seems to get brain damaged in the playoffs, I guess he just can't take the pressure any more.
- BiggE


He may have made it back into the crease in time on the tying goal if he hadn't tried to block the pass out front.

The fact that he couldn't shake it off in OT is the worrisome part.


Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 24 @ 10:50 AM ET
Akeson, Couturier, Luke Schenn
- Jsaquella


Akeson has started well but is tailing off. Voracek has been very good. The good players have been

voracek, couturier, streit, L Schenn.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 24 @ 10:50 AM ET
I take it this youngster wasn't happy with the performance of Marc Andre Sieve last night....

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:50 AM ET
This is only half of the formula. Who is the replacement?
- MJL


You might have to drop Laughton in there on the fourth line and see what he does -- and yes, I realize what I'm saying.

I'm saying that at this point, at this time, you have to see if young legs with straight-line speed, if asked to play a simple game, is more effective than the clear advantage in experience that Vinny has.

Because to me, my opinion, is the Flyers have to make the Rags work harder, have less time and space, so they can start making more errors and leaving more gaps.

That's what I see: The Flyers are playing as hard as they can, with the roster composition they have. But the Rags are able to counter it without expending the amount of energy that is required.

We have got to make them work harder, pay more of a price -- not just physically, but mentally, with regard to the speed of decision-making -- that hopefully, an infusion of youth/speed would provide.

Yes, it's a gamble. But that's what I see, personally.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
Not saying Lecavalier's alone at all.
- Jsaquella


Nobody is.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
So if the Flyers do not resign Emery for next season, who do you think they will get to replace him? Bring up Heeter? Sign a veteran like Giguere or Clemmensen?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
Akeson has started well but is tailing off. Voracek has been very good. The good players have been

voracek, couturier, streit, L Schenn.

- Just5


He had a rough game 3, but he's more than meeting the expectations I had for a guy that played all year in the AHL.

Voracek has played well, too, but I expected more offense from him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:53 AM ET
You might have to drop Laughton in there on the fourth line and see what he does -- and yes, I realize what I'm saying.

I'm saying that at this point, at this time, you have to see if young legs with straight-line speed, if asked to play a simple game, is more effective than the clear advantage in experience that Vinny has.

Because to me, my opinion, is the Flyers have to make the Rags work harder, have less time and space, so they can start making more errors and leaving more gaps.

That's what I see: The Flyers are playing as hard as they can, with the roster composition they have. But the Rags are able to counter it without expending the amount of energy that is required.

We have got to make them work harder, pay more of a price -- not just physically, but mentally, with regard to the speed of decision-making -- that hopefully, an infusion of youth/speed would provide.

Yes, it's a gamble. But that's what I see, personally.

- AllInForFlyers



In my view the Flyers need more goal scoring from the forwards. And Lecavalier is one of the best suited to that on the team. It's a catch 22. A younger player might give you more puck pressure, but the Flyers had oodles of that in game 3. They carried the play possession wise. They lost
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
I take it this youngster wasn't happy with the performance of Marc Andre Sieve last night....


- PLindbergh31

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
So if the Flyers do not resign Emery for next season, who do you think they will get to replace him? Bring up Heeter? Sign a veteran like Giguere or Clemmensen?
- Streit2ThePoint


I would go veteran backup, but the Flyers love saving money on backups. They may go cheap and allow Heeter the first opportunity.
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