Who would you rather have question #2:

For 2014-2015 (and beyond):
Brayden Schenn or Mike Richards, keeping in mind their age, contracts (or current lack thereof, but you can ballpark Schenn's), and any perceived progression/regression.
- jmatchett383

Hmmmmmm. Without taking contract into account, I would definitely say Richards.

I'm going to go with Schenn because I think he becomes a 50 point player next year and the $4M saved could be used on a guy like Stralman.

I didn't view Game 3 like that -- I thought the shots they took were not quality shots, and I didn't feel that game was tilted in their favor -- it was over when it was 3-1, in my opinion, and that means, to me, that you aren't capable of turning them over in tight spaces and making quick plays in transition.

Again: I could be wrong. This is a tough nut to crack -- believe me, I still believe in Vinny's hands and ability to score. I think he absolutely knows where to go and what to do when he gets there.

I just think, in this series...the "getting there" just might be 90 percent of the battle.
- AllInForFlyers

I think based on this post, we viewed the game in the same way. Flyers dominated puck possession, and they lost. They didn't generate many quality opportunities. Bottom line, puck possession while important. Is vastly overrated.

Who would you rather have question #2:

For 2014-2015 (and beyond):
Brayden Schenn or Mike Richards, keeping in mind their age, contracts (or current lack thereof, but you can ballpark Schenn's), and any perceived progression/regression.
- jmatchett383

Richards for sure....But I must admit Simmonds has tipped the scales.

Lecavalier has been a quality player his entire career. And has been able to play against quality players his entire career and is still capable of it. How exactly have the Rangers been feasting on Lecavalier specifically? This is where the problems are. When one player is singled out.
- MJL

I think he meant they were feasting on him in the locker room. Would explain why he only had 7 minutes of ice time in game 1, 9 minutes in game 2, and 14 in game 3. If anything he has gotten better with each game.

B. Schenns ice time increased as well. Even got more ice time than Voracek last game.

Who would you rather have question #2:

For 2014-2015 (and beyond):
Brayden Schenn or Mike Richards, keeping in mind their age, contracts (or current lack thereof, but you can ballpark Schenn's), and any perceived progression/regression.
- jmatchett383

I'd rather have Schenn. I think he is starting to progress while Richards is staring to regress.

Feasting? The Rangers have been feasting on most of our players. So that seems a little rough to say.
- Flyersgod

In ES close situations (1-goal game or tied), Vinny's only been able to control the puck 30% of the time he's on the ice. That's almost 20% worse than the team average.

I'd rather have Schenn. I think he is starting to progress while Richards is staring to regress.
- Streit2ThePoint

Regress? At 29?

Flyers 'won' the possession game in the last one based on shot attempts, but I suspect that actual zone-times were about even, and the disparity in shots probably was due more to the Rangers going into a shell after going up 2-0 on the road.

But yeah, even if the Rangers left the door open a crack, the Flyers do get credit for pushing it open and playing much better in the 2nd and 3rd... and hopefully they're feeling better about themselves ahead of game 4, because the first 7 periods of this series were brutal.
- Tomahawk

That's what I'm concerned with -- I think score effects might have been at play. I think the Rags downshifted on them when Girardi scored, and even then...damn it.

Whatever they do -- I don't need to be right, don't care if I'm right -- but whatever they do, they need it to work tomorrow.

Because I do think they can win this series at 2-2. I think if they go down 3-1...that's just not gonna work. That just won't work.

In ES close situations (1-goal game or tied), Vinny's only been able to control the puck 30% of the time he's on the ice. That's almost 20% worse than the team average.
- Tomahawk

Lecavalier controls the puck 30% of the time he's on the ice? That's not bad, considering there are 10 skaters on the ice. That means he is one of the top-3 (at least) puck controllers every time he's on the ice.

In ES close situations (1-goal game or tied), Vinny's only been able to control the puck 30% of the time he's on the ice. That's almost 20% worse than the team average.
- Tomahawk

You can read that stat a bunch of different ways. When you only get, lets say, 15 shots and you score 3 goals, you're going to have a high shooting %. You guys all claim that to be invalid because no one can sustain those numbers.

Dude got 7 minutes in game 1 when the Rangers controlled a majority of the game. Game 2 he only got 9 minutes, sharing time with Rinaldo and Hall.

I think based on this post, we viewed the game in the same way. Flyers dominated puck possession, and they lost. They didn't generate many quality opportunities. Bottom line, puck possession while important. Is vastly overrated.
- MJL

exactly...they had great puck possession on the PP ...but if your not in motion then a team like the rangers are going to have an easy time blocking shots....It was refreshing to hear even Berube aknowledge that the PP was way, way, way to predictable....Its what you do with the puck when you have it!!!

Lecavalier controls the puck 30% of the time he's on the ice? That's not bad, considering there are 10 skaters on the ice. That means he is one of the top-3 (at least) puck controllers every time he's on the ice.
- jmatchett383

Lol, guess that came out wrong.

Meant the team while he's on the ice.

In ES close situations (1-goal game or tied), Vinny's only been able to control the puck 30% of the time he's on the ice. That's almost 20% worse than the team average.
- Tomahawk

throw a link from where you got that please. I bet you I can find a whole bunch of things that you're going to disagree with.

Yes, a lot of the Flyers shots were not quality shots, hence the low shooting percentage. I would think they would score more goals, if they carry play again. But the reality is that it isn't just a statistical anomaly. Nor can the stats just be looked at as a reason why. The shooting percentage was because the Flyers failed to get to the net, and failed to create quality chances. So they can carry play all they want, if they don't get more traffic and more pucks to the net, it won't matter. Just another example of the flawed stats of corsi, and other advanced stats.
And as far as Lecavalier, he has the shot to beat Lundqvist clean, which is why he should stay in the lineup.
- MJL

The only flaw is your interpretation. We'll just agree to disagree.

And with the way the Rangers clog the shooting lanes and block shots, there aren't many "clean" shots at Lundqvist. Lecavalier cannot create that shot with his lack of speed either. He's hurting this team more than he's helping, imo.

Only one player has less minutes than Vinny. Rinaldo.

Rounded up, Vinny has 31 minutes of game time after 3 games. Rounded up - 5 minutes on the powerplay.

That's 26 minutes of ES hockey over 3 games. Lets rag on the dude that barely even sees the ice.

That's what I'm concerned with -- I think score effects might have been at play. I think the Rags downshifted on them when Girardi scored, and even then...damn it.

Whatever they do -- I don't need to be right, don't care if I'm right -- but whatever they do, they need it to work tomorrow.

Because I do think they can win this series at 2-2. I think if they go down 3-1...that's just not gonna work. That just won't work.
- AllInForFlyers

It's just a tough matchup to begin with... add to that the Rangers being the Flyers' kryptonite the past few seasons... they basically had to hit the ground running and really over-achieve across the board to have a fighting chance at it. Unfortunately, it's been more or less groundhog day, other than the 2nd-3rd from Tuesday.

Regress? At 29?
- Flyersgod

Uh, yeah -- have you watched the Kings this year, lately?

I guess we found our scape goat. Our 4th line center Vinny. He's the reason we are losing. We has the priviledge of spending most of his minutes with Hall and Rinaldo. Ungrateful punk! Bench him!

Uh, yeah -- have you watched the Kings this year, lately?
- AllInForFlyers

Ek really needs to get these ads under control. They're killing me on the laptop.

No I haven't watched the Kings lately. I do know they don't score a lot though.

Whats the CF% for Corsi stats?

Akeson is 3rd in the league right now at +19.5%

Whats the CF% for Corsi stats?

Akeson is 3rd in the league right now at +19.5%
- Flyersgod

http://www.extraskater.com/glossary

http://www.extraskater.com/glossary
- Tomahawk

It's like a complex math problem with words. I don't get it at all.

So Akeson has a CF% (rel) of 19.5%. DOes that mean the team has more shots when he's not on the ice?

Flyers need to be better and it starts with berube behind the bench. Let's hope they spent these 2 off days wisely.

On the plane to Philly now.
Hoping for a celebration Friday and not a funeral.
Don't care what the lines are at this point.
All 18 skaters have a role.
Go Flyers
Rangers suck

In ES close situations (1-goal game or tied), Vinny's only been able to control the puck 30% of the time he's on the ice. That's almost 20% worse than the team average.
- Tomahawk

Well by that page if they play Akeson 25 minutes a night they'll be ok