Jets, trouba is already phenomenal. Add Bogosian and that's too much to lose for them. Hartnell isn't worth much imo.
- Isles_since_6

Someone would take Hartnell, but I don't think he'd be a significant piece of any deal. His contract is pretty big and I don't see him aging very well.

I still like him though. He had a rough series, but he always finds his way onto the Flyers' best line every year.

Trying to be logical in thinking of the offseason.

1. Let Kimmo go. He is a warrior but it is time.
2. Look to make a good hockey trade. Might have to move b.schenn to get a dman like shattenkirk, bogossian or someone else.
3. See if there is a way to move hartnell. He just doesn't seem to fit and Simmonds has teaken the place of his skill set.
4. Get a foruth line that can do damage. Hall played good but wouldn't mind a fourth line like dallas has. Those guys cause havoc and produce.

Just some of my thoughts.


Go ahead and rip them apart.
- J35Bacher

With regards to Kimmo, if I'm the Flyers I straight-up go to him and say we can keep you and give you quality icetime if you take a contract worth $3 mil, not a cent more. If he is down, we keep him. If not, no way in hell I think we should throw upwards of $5+ mil at him again, no way.

They're 18th, I believe. Dallas, Detroit, and Columbus are 15-17.

Dammit, why am I posting on here
- jmatchett383

We suck you in.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=115803

We suck you in.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=115803
- PhillySportsGuy

You're right, the Devils are picking 30th. So yes, they are picking 17th.

There's a few glaring holes on this team that Berube covered up pretty well besides lacking a big minute defenseman.
Giroux needs another wingman besides Voracek. Hartnell had one season when he was worthy to be called a top line player and that was the year Jagr was here. Other than that, Hartnell is a second or third liner. I've watched countless times over the course of the season when G and Jake were on a roll and the puck came to Hartnell and he ruined the flow. Giroux needs a big time goal scorer to play with him. I'm not sure why Lecavalier was never used on that line, but it's obviously not gonna happen now. Vinny is probably gonna request a trade in the offseason. We all know as soon as Bobby Ryan hits free agency in 2015, he's gonna sign with the Flyers and Giroux will have his sidekick. Until then, they need to find somebody that could possibly fill that role for a season. Matt Moulson would be a great addition, but he would probably want a multi- year deal and I'm not sure he's a good fit long term in Philly. Vanek is going to get paid stupid money in the offseason, so he's out too. One guy I might take a look at is Danny Heatley. He'd probably sign a one year deal in the $3 million range and he'd be an upgrade over Hartnell and Raffl.
Another thing they need to look in to is someone to play with Couturier and Read. That line could use an agitator that can score. I like how Akeson played in the playoffs, but I'm not sure he's a fit on that line long term. I'd rather see him play on a line with Scott Laughton next season. I know I'm going to be ridiculed for this, but I'd love to see them pick up Steve Ott for that role. He's big, fast, plays fearless, throws the body around, gets under opponents skin, scores big goals and comes to play every game. He'd be great with Couturier and Read, in my opinion.
I have no clue how they're going to shore up their defense in the offseason. Hopefully they don't put Sam Morin in too early. He's a long term project and is still very raw and has a lot of growing to do still. Timonen is going to retire. You can bank on that. Some attractive names are Niskanen, Markov, Boyle, Orpik and possibly Mike Green of the Capitals via trade. But none of those names jump off the page to me besides maybe Niskanen.
One thing I eluded to earlier is I think Lecavalier requests a trade in the offseason. He had a decent regular season, but he's not going to be happy on the fourth line. He's worth more than that to a lot of teams and he knows that. Hopefully they can get something in return. Maybe Lecavalier and a pick or two for Bobby Ryan? Ugh just a pipe dream I guess.
Go Flyers!
- TonyBazz

No joke, I'd take a gamble 1-yr deal on Heatley. Could re-ignite his career!

He's the only thing the Flyers have that resembles a top pairing defenseman.

If Kimmo leaves and they trade Coburn, that would be catastrophic.
- bradleyc4

Ha! If you're gonna be around all day, I'm just gonna lurk

You're right, the Devils are picking 30th. So yes, they are picking 17th.
- jmatchett383

Yeah. Remember. When they changed the ruling. Because they felt bad.

Someone would take Hartnell, but I don't think he'd be a significant piece of any deal. His contract is pretty big and I don't see him aging very well.

I still like him though. He had a rough series, but he always finds his way onto the Flyers' best line every year.
- PhillySportsGuy

Hartnell is the most berated consistent 20-goal scorer (2-time 30-goal scorer) I've ever seen. People act like the guy is a 50-year-old Andreas Nodl.

With regards to Kimmo, if I'm the Flyers I straight-up go to him and say we can keep you and give you quality icetime if you take a contract worth $3 mil, not a cent more. If he is down, we keep him. If not, no way in hell I think we should throw upwards of $5+ mil at him again, no way.
- Flyers_V88

I understand but they need to let him go. The philles kept doing that to their aging core. They have enough vetrans that kimmo can walk and others can take his places.

No joke, I'd take a gamble 1-yr deal on Heatley. Could re-ignite his career!
- Flyers_V88

Stop trying to kill our players. We'll trade them if we must, but you're going too far.

Ha! If you're gonna be around all day, I'm just gonna lurk
- AllInForFlyers

I won't. There will likely be enough annoying junk flying around soon to push me away.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Matt Moulson ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Petr Straka ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Zach Bogosian ($5.143m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Jacob Trouba ($0.894m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.650m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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I understand but they need to let him go. The philles kept doing that to their aging core. They have enough vetrans that kimmo can walk and others can take his places.
- J35Bacher

Who is going to take his place without bumping everyone else into a spot they can't handle? Please show me out clear-cut starting six next year without him.

Hartnell is the most berated consistent 20-goal scorer (2-time 30-goal scorer) I've ever seen. People act like the guy is a 50-year-old Andreas Nodl.
- jmatchett383

I feel he has more value with the team than through trade. He's been the Flyers' best line every year.

Hartnell-Carter-Lupul
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek

I would even say the 2nd line improved this series when it became Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds

I won't. There will likely be enough annoying junk flying around soon to push me away.
- bradleyc4

You and I feeling the same way. There should be a statue erected to commemorate the occasion.

I feel he has more value with the team than through trade. He's been the Flyers' best line every year.

Hartnell-Carter-Lupul
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek

I would even say the 2nd line improved this series when it became Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
- PhillySportsGuy

It did. It really did,

But, then again, he's the worst player of ever. Well, he and Coburn.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Matt Moulson ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Petr Straka ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Zach Bogosian ($5.143m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Jacob Trouba ($0.894m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.650m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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- PhillaBully

Just to make things clear, Winnipeg wouldn't trade Trouba alone for Schenn, Schenn and Hartnell.

No joke, I'd take a gamble 1-yr deal on Heatley. Could re-ignite his career!
- Flyers_V88

He's better than Raffl and Hartnell hands down

He's better than Raffl and Hartnell hands down
- TonyBazz

Please explain. Because this will be fun.

Hartnell is the most berated consistent 20-goal scorer (2-time 30-goal scorer) I've ever seen. People act like the guy is a 50-year-old Andreas Nodl.
- jmatchett383

Hartnell was one of the best players on this team for long stretches this season. One of the few players who drove play consistently all year and had a positive +/- throughout even the worst parts of their season. I would really like to keep him as our second line winger. I really like the Harts Schenn Simmonds line. It is too bad that he cannot keep up to the pace with G and Jake though or he would pot a few more goals.

Who is going to take his place without bumping everyone else into a spot they can't handle? Please show me out clear-cut starting six next year without him.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, that's my issue too. Streit instantly takes on all of Kimmo's offensive responsibility and PP time, but I still don't know if I feel comfortable going through the season next year with the D as-is without Kimmo

I say we take one more crack at Shea!!!! lol.

1. Kimmo should stay, he's a leader and an inspiration to his teammates and hes still a top 4 D-Man.

2. Coburn is over valued imo, and not a top pair D man. Just not consistent enough for a top pair and I think he can help get us a top line winger to play with G.

3. Going to have to send a lot of assets away to get a top pair D-Man but we have the assets.

4. Hartnel not going anywhere but shouldnt even be close to 1st line.

5. Hall played really well this year not sure how anyone wouldnt want him on the 4th line.

6. Vinny was our best forward until he got hurt. I expect him to play well as 2nd line C next year.

He's the only thing the Flyers have that resembles a top pairing defenseman.

If Kimmo leaves and they trade Coburn, that would be catastrophic.
- bradleyc4

He's better than Raffl and Hartnell hands down
- TonyBazz

Have you seen him play?

Would anyone want to take a gamble on Gaborik on maybe 2 or 3 year deal? You guys throw Heatley out there but I think Gaborik could be a good risk to take to play with G and Voracek

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Matt Moulson ($6.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Matt Read ($3.625m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($0.863m) / Petr Straka ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Zach Bogosian ($5.143m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Jacob Trouba ($0.894m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Ray Emery ($1.650m)
BUYOUTS
Daniel Briere ($0.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
LTIR
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
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CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $2,099,643
- PhillaBully

Dude, you'd give Moulson $6 million? No way! He's worth between 4 and five at the MOST.