Hindsight being 20/20 but when you look back and see that the Flyers moved Richards, Carter, and JVR and don't have anything close to a #1 dman in return, that's troubling.

All true, but he was absolutely BRUTAL in this series. His job is to win battles along the wall and go to the net.

All I saw from him is losing a board battle because he went for a hit and just ignored the damn puck, over and over. And by the time he gets his bearings the play has already left the area and he is chasing back. It happened over and over again. And it happened during the regular season.

If they can deal Hartnell for a good deal I would deal him. Same with VLC. As for Vinny, if it turns out he was hurt and it really affected his play I think I am willing to give him one more year to prove he can play, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if they dealt him as well.

They need a sniper, and a good two way top 4 d-man. I know everyone wants that bonified #1 guy, but I don't think we have the chips to acquire one. Nor do I want them to gut the system again for a quick fix.

If Baby Schenn has to go to get what we need so be it.
- MBFlyerfan

Hartnell did setup the first goal of the series. He hammered McDonagh then got the puck to Amac.

Weber, for both financial and PR reasons, will be a Predator for at least another 5 years. I'd go after a guy like Carlson or Alzner from Washington. They're players that can actually be had for a package, and are very good, but not elite, players.
- jmatchett383

Don't you think Nashville will move a Dman ( maybe not Weber) because they need some scoring. They don't have much up front.
Josi would be nice.

1. I'd love if Kimmo could/would come back for one more year

2. Defensively, Coburn is a fine top pairing defenseman. A rock for them all season long.

3. They have the assets, but what's the cost? It's a huge need, but you can't gut the team for an overpriced top pairing defenseman either.

4. Hartnell played like garbage in the playoffs, but is still a good possession player who complements the top line well. When healthy, he still fits there.

5. Agreed

6. Completely disagree
- bradleyc4

1. Agreed
2. Agreed
3 - 6. Agreed.

I wouldn't trade them unless a great deal came along. I don't think they're both useless players like most people.
- PhillySportsGuy

They're not useless, and they're very attractive pieces. The problem with Luke is not that he'd bad, it's that they didn't really have a place for him with Grossmann. Grossmann's probably on his way out (prob. for a 5th with his ankle issue), so Luke is probably a solid top-4 guy.

hey im open to ideas, so if you had schenn and schenn where would you trade him?
- PhillaBully

Brayden Schenn is a 22 year old who already has a 20 goal season under his belt. Why the hell does everyone want to get rid of him so badly?

Hindsight being 20/20 but when you look back and see that the Flyers moved Richards, Carter, and JVR and don't have anything close to a #1 dman in return, that's troubling.
- flyguy12

When they traded Carter and Richards, they had 2 centers and 7 NHL forwards.

On defense, they had Pronger, Timonen, Mez, Carle and Coburn.

Entry Draft Order
The order of selection among the Member Clubs in each season shall be determined in the following manner:
A composite of all Member Clubs shall be prepared by placing:
i) First the Clubs which failed to qualify for the preceding playoffs in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest points total and followed by the Club having the next lowest points total, and so forth.
ii) The Clubs which participated in the preceding playoffs (but had not been ranked first in their respective Divisions and had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iii) The Clubs which had been ranked first in their Divisions during the next preceding season (but had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iv) The Stanley Cup winner shall select last, thus, positioning all Clubs on the list.

In the event of a tie for any position, such tie shall be resolved by application of the rules governing the determination of final League standings. The resulting list shall constitute the order of selection.

If I'm reading this in normal speech then we would be 17th.

[quote=3flyerkids]

Josi could definitely go. And that is a move I would make for B Schenn.

I think Buffalo is going to hold onto Myers since he's young but a veteran, and he's the kind of player they could build their defense around. But they could possibly get him in a slight overpayment.
- jmatchett383

I am just trying to think of guys where you don't need to gut your team to improve. Weber would be great but your moving significant assests.

When they traded Carter and Richards, they had 2 centers and 7 NHL forwards.

On defense, they had Pronger, Timonen, Mez, Carle and Coburn.
- PhillySportsGuy

I understand that but part of being a GM is looking forward, understanding the trends of the league and the strengths and weaknesses of your team and your roster in the orgainization. I don't think the Flyers lost those deals w/the exception of the Schenn/JVR deal, I love the talent they got back. Just wished it was a different mix.

1. Kimmo should stay, he's a leader and an inspiration to his teammates and hes still a top 4 D-Man.

2. Coburn is over valued imo, and not a top pair D man. Just not consistent enough for a top pair and I think he can help get us a top line winger to play with G.

3. Going to have to send a lot of assets away to get a top pair D-Man but we have the assets.

4. Hartnel not going anywhere but shouldnt even be close to 1st line.

5. Hall played really well this year not sure how anyone wouldnt want him on the 4th line.

6. Vinny was our best forward until he got hurt. I expect him to play well as 2nd line C next year.
- nin9999

Disagree on almost all counts haha. Except maybe #3

Brayden Schenn is a 22 year old who already has a 20 goal season under his belt. Why the hell does everyone want to get rid of him so badly?
- FlyersSteve118

I don't want to move him but looking at assets that could bring something back. you can't bring in a solid dmen like everyone wants without giving something up and he and Couturier would be the most asked about. I would rather keep Cooter

Brayden Schenn is a 22 year old who already has a 20 goal season under his belt. Why the hell does everyone want to get rid of him so badly?
- FlyersSteve118

I think he's a logical choice because he's a young power forward who's barely scratching the surface. The Flyers have an excess of power forwards, and he'd bring the most in return.

They're not useless, and they're very attractive pieces. The problem with Luke is not that he'd bad, it's that they didn't really have a place for him with Grossmann. Grossmann's probably on his way out (prob. for a 5th with his ankle issue), so Luke is probably a solid top-4 guy.
- jmatchett383

Luke had a great playoff series. His inconsistency really bothers me though. I know its to be expected, but his valleys shouldn't be this big. He's 24 and should be able to manage the rough stretches a little better than he does.

If he finds consistency, I think he can be a significant contributor on the backend.

I am just trying to think of guys where you don't need to gut your team to improve. Weber would be great but your moving significant assests.
- J35Bacher

Yeah, Weber COULD he had...if you're cool with moving either Giroux+ or a package containing Voracek, Couturier, Coburn, B Schenn+ to get him. They need to go after the next-level guys. Myers is the type, but not sure he's available. Washington's probably going to want some turnover, which is why I'd go after Carlson and/or Alzner.

[quote=3flyerkids]
Yeah, which is where a team like the Flyers can really gain. I think we have the assets it would take to land Shea.

I understand that but part of being a GM is looking forward, understanding the trends of the league and the strengths and weaknesses of your team and your roster in the orgainization. I don't think the Flyers lost those deals w/the exception of the Schenn/JVR deal, I love the talent they got back. Just wished it was a different mix.
- flyguy12

To be fair, the Flyers have tried to acquire a #1 guy in other ways. Shea Weber off sheet, wooing of Hamhuis and Ryan Suter...just couldn't get it done.

I think they understand the need, just tough to acquire.

I think he's a logical choice because he's a young power forward who's barely scratching the surface. The Flyers have an excess of power forwards, and he'd bring the most in return.
- bradleyc4

I think teams are going to be asking for Simmonds to be honest. He has that combination of speed, grit, and fighting ability that most teams really want.

Brayden Schenn is a 22 year old who already has a 20 goal season under his belt. Why the hell does everyone want to get rid of him so badly?
- FlyersSteve118

because we need a #1 defenseman more than another 20 goal scorer. I wish we could keep him, but at this point he will have to be included in a package to get that #1

Pretty sure he has a NTC which means our trading partners would be limited.
- FlyersGrace

True but OTOH he may not want to be our 4th line center playing 9 mins a night

Another 40 minute effort. Geeze, would someone kick these guys in the pants? How did Car Bomb get 2 goals? Coby, you could have played better. This team lacks any leadership, and grit. I think that G is a very good player, but I really question giving him the C. He has great games against the Pens, and he did show a little fight when he was snubbed for the Olympics, but what else has he done? I salute Mason. He let in some weak goals, but if the team in front of you is not giving 100% then I can see where some of that rubs off. I hope that some of the forwards are shed this summer. I am sure that we are losing some D guys; sorry Timmo. I say let some of Phantom guys come up, and if they play well, don't offer them a long term contract. Four years should be the max. It's the GM, and owner's faults for those long term deals. If they would get together, and stand united, then the players would have to take the shorter deals. You get these one hit wonders, sign them for life, and then they just sit back, and collect the $$$.
Well guys, you get your golf time. Enjoy, and maybe we will see you again next year.

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- PhillaBully

my thought exactly

True but OTOH he may not want to be our 4th line center playing 9 mins a night
- BiggE

Yep - you've got a point. I'll wait and see what happens. I think some tough conversations are going to have to happen.

Yeah, which is where a team like the Flyers can really gain. I think we have the assets it would take to land Shea.
- Flyers_V88

All teams have the assets. They just don't want to bite their nose to spite their face. The Flyers could get Weber, but they'll be worse off, at least in the short run, because they'll open gaping holes.