then name some. Maybe they didn't survive because they were overvalued or just not good enough.
- J35Bacher

So then what makes you think your not overvaluing Ghost RIGHT NOW? How do you know he's "good enough"?

Lets remember that Ghost is coming from college and not junior. he is playing against more mature players in size then he would on most junior teams. I am not saying he is a lock for the team. But I am not going to stick him in the AHL because I am scared of what ifs. Our defense can use his talents and if he is top 6 after camp then your not being true to the team or the players on it

A lot can happen over the course of a summer that could drastically change the landscape for the team or individual players/prospects
- funmaster18

PRONGER

There were too many factors this year for me to write him off as "useless". If go so far as he could be an impact player next year. He could also fall flat on his face. I just think with all the changes and what he went through it had to impact him.

Look at Jagr with us. Looked like he was slowing down towards the end and a few years later he's still playing and playing well. I think he had a lot of adjustments to make and he made them and look he's got another contract.

VL is not Jagr, but I think VL can bounce back.
- funmaster18

I think it is more than a lack of skill or production. I think that he is not a good fit on our team and does not mesh well with our current mix of players.

PRONGER
- BulliesPhan87

Golfing mishaps

Golfing mishaps
- PhillySportsGuy

The Return of Lindros Prime

Krug is the best case scenario... how about all the other situations where kids were thrown in too soon and took years to recover (or never recovered)?

Is it possible that Ghost could step in right away and be as terrific as Krug? Sure. But is it likely? No.

You can't dismiss the bulk of the examples and just hitch your wagon to an outlier and expect everything to turn out ok. We complain incessantly about the Flyers futility when it comes to drafting/developing dmen, and finally when it looks like we've got a good one, fans don't have the patience not to Torey Krug him right away.
- Tomahawk

Kids kids kids. Ghost is 21 yoa. Should we have kept Coots in the A his rookie year because clearly he was undersized and still growing into his body at 18 yoa? No they brought him up. Ghost is more the exception than the rule at this point IMO. He has that unique skill set already. There are certain things he can do that will help the team now.

If they feel he needs a full year in the A then fine, I'm just saying....I wouldnt be surprised if hes ready before the new year. From everything I've seen and read, not sure if that qualifies as rushing in this case, he's 21 yoa.

Lets remember that Ghost is coming from college and not junior. he is playing against more mature players in size then he would on most junior teams. I am not saying he is a lock for the team. But I am not going to stick him in the AHL because I am scared of what ifs. Our defense can use his talents and if he is top 6 after camp then your not being true to the team or the players on it
- J35Bacher

The problem with this scenario is if he DOES make the team AT FIRST and then quickly FALTERS, you can send him back down to refine his game but it leaves a huge hole on your NHL roster.

Unless your insinuating he's our 6th or 7th dman, which I'm okay with if we have the proper depth to be sending him up and down.

If you haven't realized by now, this scenarios filled with a lot of "what if's"?

"What if" Alt or Lauridesen make the team? Then what?

Kids kids kids. Ghost is 21 yoa. Should we have kept Coots in the A his rookie year because clearly he was undersized and still growing into his body at 18 yoa? No they brought him up. Ghost is more the exception to the rule at this point IMO. He has that unique skill set already. There are certain things he can do that will help the team now.

If they feel he needs a full year in the A then fine, I'm just saying....I wouldnt be surprised if hes ready before the new year. From everything I've seen and read, not sure if that qualifies as rushing in this case, he's 21 yoa.
- Just5

21 years old isn't poop, no offense. You're making it sound like its something it's not. He could be 23 years old. It doesn't directly correlate to NHL readiness.

Believe me, I feel you. I'm in the crowd that "wouldn't be surprised if he made the team out of camp", but were all doing a lot of assuming right now. Were also getting to the point of repetitiveness and have talked Ghost to death now.

So then what makes you think your not overvaluing Ghost RIGHT NOW? How do you know he's "good enough"?
- mochoson

I could be. But i am not sending him down if he is ready to play. I am not against sending him down if I see he struggles in preseason or camp. I want him on the team if he can play.

then name some. Maybe they didn't survive because they were overvalued or just not good enough.
- J35Bacher

Kris Russell was a stud coming out of junior, an offensive dynamo, skating second to none. He got chewed up and spit out when Columbus rushed him in... it's only this past season, on his third team, that he's solidified his grasp on a top-4 role.

If the Flyers want to become more mobile on the blue line and quicker overall, then there should be no reason why Ghost shouldn't start in the NHL. I'm sick and tired of seeing young players on their ELC making a difference on other NHL teams while the Flyers still put out an aging Timonen, Grossmann, and Pavel Kubina.

So then what makes you think your not overvaluing Ghost RIGHT NOW? How do you know he's "good enough"?
- mochoson

what happens when Ghost is invisible?

21 years old isn't poop, no offense. You're making it sound like its something it's not. He could be 23 years old. It doesn't directly correlate to NHL readiness.

Believe me, I feel you. I'm in the crowd that "wouldn't be surprised if he made the team out of camp", but were all doing a lot of assuming right now. Were also getting to the point of repetitiveness and have talked Ghost to death now.
- mochoson

The Ghost of Ghost

The problem with this scenario is if he DOES make the team AT FIRST and then quickly FALTERS, you can send him back down to refine his game but it leaves a huge hole on your NHL roster.

Unless your insinuating he's our 6th or 7th dman, which I'm okay with if we have the proper depth to be sending him up and down.

If you haven't realized by now, this scenarios filled with a lot of "what if's"?

"What if" Alt or Lauridesen make the team? Then what?
- mochoson

I understand the "what ifs". I am just against sending him down if he shows he is ready. I would have him as a 6th d guy. He would be a good compliment to L. Schenn. I would love Alt to make the team. I see Lauridesen as more of a 7 d guy who can fill in for injury

Kris Russell was a stud coming out of junior, an offensive dynamo, skating second to none. He got chewed up and spit out when Columbus rushed him in... it's only this past season, on his third team, that he's solidified his grasp on a top-4 role.
- Tomahawk

Columbus has been terrible.

Russell was coming out of junior, not college. Big difference in my opinion.

Columbus has been terrible.

Russell was coming out of junior, not college. Big difference in my opinion.
- KGBflyers10

Flyers are pretty freakin terrible 5V5 and in the d-zone, too.

And the level of hockey in Canadian junior is much higher than the NCAA.

If the Flyers want to become more mobile on the blue line and quicker overall, then there should be no reason why Ghost shouldn't start in the NHL. I'm sick and tired of seeing young players on their ELC making a difference on other NHL teams while the Flyers still put out an aging Timonen, Grossmann, and Pavel Kubina.
- KGBflyers10

Completely agree. I am ok with Kimmo walking and spreading his minutes elsewhere. So Ghost shows he is ready. Allowing him to play on the ELC then allows for the Flyers to upgrade other areas like wing and better 4th line

Stopped reading because I'd prefer a former 100 point, generational talent who can clearly still produce in a top-9 role over a paltry top-9 power-forward winger who can't stay on his skates for an entire shift?

When both are basically signed to the same contract? Gotcha.
- mochoson

Vinny's 100 point season is irrelevant at this point.

Hartnell has his faults, but he was +11 this season, tied for first. Vinny was dead last on the team at -16.

If the Flyers want to become more mobile on the blue line and quicker overall, then there should be no reason why Ghost shouldn't start in the NHL. I'm sick and tired of seeing young players on their ELC making a difference on other NHL teams while the Flyers still put out an aging Timonen, Grossmann, and Pavel Kubina.
- KGBflyers10

That has more to do with the Flyers not having ANY young defenseman.

Flyers are pretty freakin terrible 5V5 and in the d-zone, too.

And the level of hockey in Canadian junior is much higher than the NCAA.
- Tomahawk

Players are more mature in college then playing againts 16,17,18 in junior for the most part.

PRONGER
- BulliesPhan87

GID HOLMGER. Oh wait..

Vinny's 100 point season is irrelevant at this point.

Hartnell has his faults, but he was +11 this season, tied for first. Vinny was dead last on the team at -16.
- Feanor

After you factor in quality of competition and zone starts, it gets even more ridiculous.

I think it is more than a lack of skill or production. I think that he is not a good fit on our team and does not mesh well with our current mix of players.
- FlyersSteve118

That's possible. But who's to say that mix doesn't change this offseason?

Players are more mature in college then playing againts 16,17,18 in junior for the most part.
- J35Bacher

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