Yeah.

I find it amusing that the only time the Flyers had any cap space at the TDL over the last 7 years was the year they weren't in the playoff hunt.

Before MJL jumps on me for my use of hyperbole, I mean to say significant cap space where they would have been able to add a player making $5M
- PhillySportsGuy

It's really easy to spend money -- it's hard to spend it wisely.

Should have offered more to Weber and Suter
- PhillySportsGuy

Or tied up Poile in a back room until the time ran out to match the OS

Should have offered more to Weber and Suter
- PhillySportsGuy

That's exactly what happened; winning the Cup is always going to involve all the stars aligning. The Flyers...they've been unlucky, more than most

They're gearing up to give themselves some serious chances at this thing over the next five years, though. A few things have to break right, as always. But they're giving themselves a little cushion to make an error or two if they don't just piss away the youth this offseason in the wrong move
- AllInForFlyers

I just want them to be patient. I'm so sick of this win now mentality every year. I really wonder how many moves have been influenced by Snider's desire to always win today and worry about any repercussions later.

People may hate what the Sixers are doing, but at least they have a long term plan and are sticking to it.

I just want them to be patient. I'm so sick of this win now mentality every year. I really wonder how many moves have been influenced by Snider's desire to always win today and worry about any repercussions later.

People may hate what the Sixers are doing, but at least they have a long term plan and are sticking to it.
- PhillySportsGuy

Be horrible and hope?

He's been great for you guys. I'm really interested to see him against the Rangers.

Just an FYI. The Rangers top line played really well agains the Flyers. Nash had so many chances but never scored. His luck is bound to change if he continues to play this way, so look out for him.
- PhillySportsGuy

he was awesome controlling the puck, but i was unimpressed with his shot selection for the most part. he had a great rip after a turnover the one time, but other than that, he was very perimeter based. hope that remains.

I just want them to be patient. I'm so sick of this win now mentality every year. I really wonder how many moves have been influenced by Snider's desire to always win today and worry about any repercussions later.

People may hate what the Sixers are doing, but at least they have a long term plan and are sticking to it.
- PhillySportsGuy

I thought the flyers were doing that in 06-07? And then again in 2011? Seems like they start in that direction, get a whiff of success and abandon the rebuild.

Example? Getting Bryz when we had a young core and young goalie. At least that mess led to Mason.

Be horrible and hope?
- jmatchett383

Basically, yeah. It's a little better than that though. They will have a ton of cap space and a ton of draft picks. They are using the Sabers model.

Be horrible and hope?
- jmatchett383

One of the lesser known Star Wars episodes

People may hate what the Sixers are doing, but at least they have a long term plan and are sticking to it.
- PhillySportsGuy

Sure. This year, they've done that.

That doesn't account for the previous, terrible, awful, no good years where they essentially killed NBA basketball in what has been one of the great cities for basketball in America.

One of the lesser known Star Wars episodes
- funmaster18

I hope JJ Abrams furiously scribbled that name down and credits JMatch appropriately.

I thought the flyers were doing that in 06-07? And then again in 2011? Seems like they start in that direction, get a whiff of success and abandon the rebuild.

Example? Getting Bryz when we had a young core and young goalie. At least that mess led to Mason.
- funmaster18

I know. There never seems to be a long term plan. They plan for next season and thats it. They have no hindsight.

Basically, yeah. It's a little better than that though. They will have a ton of cap space and a ton of draft picks. They are using the Sabers model.
- PhillySportsGuy

But in hockey, that actually works. In basketball, it's a crap shoot. NBA success is driven by how quickly you can acquire 2 good players and basically fill in the rest. It's a much more star-driven league. The NBA equivalent of the 2012 NJ Devils would have had a hard time making the playoffs, let alone the Finals.

he was awesome controlling the puck, but i was unimpressed with his shot selection for the most part. he had a great rip after a turnover the one time, but other than that, he was very perimeter based. hope that remains.
- stayinthefnnet

This is what I saw as well.

I think if the Flyers had gotten Rick Nash, the fans would have ended up hating him.

I hope JJ Abrams furiously scribbled that name down and credits JMatch appropriately.
- johndewar

He'd better. I'll also take 6% of the profit and royalties.

Be horrible and hope?
- jmatchett383

So are we trying for the Oilers 5 year plan?

Because the flyers have 10mil invested into our 3rd pair dmen.
- FlyersSteve118

We didn't actually have that this season and we won't have it next season, either. Even if you want to claim that MacDonald is just a third pairing guy (the only third pairing guy to lead his team in TOI/G in the playoffs), him + LSchenn = $8.6 million in 14-15.

The Flyers tight cap situation had more to do with Pronger.

Sure. This year, they've done that.

That doesn't account for the previous, terrible, awful, no good years where they essentially killed NBA basketball in what has been one of the great cities for basketball in America.
- johndewar

New management now. I would rather suck for 3 years and be a contender for 10 years than be .500 for 13 years.

New management now. I would rather suck for 3 years and be a contender for 10 years than be .500 for 13 years.
- PhillySportsGuy

I like Sam Hinkie (he's a #fancystats guy in basketball), so I have confidence in their direction.

This is what I saw as well.

I think if the Flyers had gotten Rick Nash, the fans would have ended up hating him.
- johndewar

yeah probably.

although i do think with giroux hes a 35,40 goal scorer year in and out. but he is frustrating.

now hell become a bull sniper.

But in hockey, that actually works. In basketball, it's a crap shoot. NBA success is driven by how quickly you can acquire 2 good players and basically fill in the rest. It's a much more star-driven league. The NBA equivalent of the 2012 NJ Devils would have had a hard time making the playoffs, let alone the Finals.
- jmatchett383

I know. It's hard to get star players by picking 15th overall each year and having very little cap space because you've signed aging stars like Brand or Webber.

Im fine with them hitting the reboot button and stockpiling as much talent as possible. They will have 4 top 10 picks in 2 years. 1 of them is bound to be an all star. Maybe even 2 of them. Suddenly, Philly becomes more desirable for bigger free agents and now you can put together a true contender.

I thought the flyers were doing that in 06-07? And then again in 2011? Seems like they start in that direction, get a whiff of success and abandon the rebuild.

Example? Getting Bryz when we had a young core and young goalie. At least that mess led to Mason.
- funmaster18

The thing about the Flyers is that for all the heat that Clarke and Holmgren take, they honestly do defer to their coaches when it comes to who plays and who doesn't, who stays and who doesn't. They try to give the coach the benefit of the doubt, more often than not, IMO

They're big boys; nobody held a gun to their head when they moved guys. But I could go through a list of guys who likely got moved because the coach simply wouldn't play them -- and it's a list of guys that maybe, just maybe, the GM should have stepped in and said, "Wrong, chief. Play them or you're the one getting gone"

I like to think that part of why Laviolette was eventually fired was for the the awful way he handled Couturier last season.

I like to think that part of why Laviolette was eventually fired was for the the awful way he handled Couturier last season.
- Feanor

I think it was. I think Bob Clarke fired himself and Ken Hitchcock the same day because he knew the Flyers had to have Mike Richards and Jeff Carter make it, and he knew that Hitch thought Richards was a checker and that Hitch would never be able to handle Carter not doing some of the things Carter does

- Streit2ThePoint

the DIVX icon is a nice tough